• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    If Israel and Russia can get away with it, then too the USA, and this is the ultimate goal: taking back the world to the days of “territorial conquests”.

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    “return the hostages and kick out Hamas, and new options will open for you–including relocation to other parts of the world for those who choose. The alternative is destruction and total devastation.”

    So the choice is either ethnic cleansing with some genocide or ethnic cleansing with total genocide. This is completely unacceptable, yet there are those who argue that we must accept it and merely choose “the lesser of two evils” with the reason being that it could be worse. However, this only emboldens the evil and they will continue driving to make things worse and worse anyway.

  • CalipherJones@lemmy.world
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    Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.

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    Well at least we know Trump will handle this much more ethically than that genocide-supporting demon Harris!

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    Are there any pros for still keeping hostages? Those few dozens of people are not worth it. I’d say release them all just to prove a point that Israel won’t stop. See what they will say in their public announcements next.

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      Absolutely they should give up their only bargaining chip. That will leave them in a stronger position, obviously, as they will be literally decimated -but- they can then complain about how ruthlessly they were destroyed. I’m sure the arbiter will just put everything back as it was before any of this mess even happened.

      Especially since the arbiter is one Donald J. Trump, a Colossus of a man with an immaculate reputation for fairness, and a knack for both resurrecting eradicated families and magically repairing destroyed infrastructure with a flick of his wand. Yes, release the hostages unconditionally, I’m sure it’ll just work out for you if you, I dunno, pray hard enough. (But not like that, though. We don’t recognise that kind of prayer)

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        Do we see any adequate attempts to do the bargaining though? Do we know that all the hostages are alive and well? Because having only a corpse of some hostage is not good for bargaining.

        Yes, let’s have those ~50 stay in an unknown state somewhere, and ignore the possibility of Israel bombings to cease or result in lesser casualties, in case those are released.

        Thr arbiter, last I saw in the news, “gave the green light to Israel” because the hostages were not released.

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          Well you’ve used the qualifier “adequate”, which means there’s an undefined set of criteria for bargaining that you deem acceptable. However there was until three days ago a ceasefire in place. A ceasefire by its existence proves that some bargaining has been done.
          There were no provisions in the ceasefire that allowed Israel to attack under the conditions in which they did. An unconditional and complete release of hostages by 18/03/2025 was not one of the conditions imposed upon Hamas. Israel contravened the ceasefire. Therefore by giving the green light, the arbiter was violently remiss in his duties to uphold it impartially.
          No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.

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            that you deem acceptable

            Releasing about 2000 people for 33 hostages is more than acceptable. Keeping remaining ~50 at this point is strange. “Keep bombing us, killing hundreds, but we will not release your 50 people (out of which you think only half are alive), we need you to… release more of our people” or what?

            You are going to just accept it as is, wait until bombings will wipe out all of Gaza, but still tell how those 50 hostages are important for some bargaining?

            Whatever they could theoretically gain for those remaining hostages (if they wanted that) is not worth the risk of further bombings. If anything, they waste resources on keeping them alive (if they really do that).

            No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.

            This is the part about Trump. https://archive.md/lkD5b

            According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-ceasefire-talks-1.7472338

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      And reward Israel for violating the ceasefire?

      Since Israel and the collective Western civilization do not appear to posses any morality, those prisoners are the only leverage Hamas has. They would be crazy to give it up for free.

      Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.

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        They would be crazy to give it up for free

        They already released 33 of them, and had about 2000 prisoners released by Israel. Are you going to say “we need to still keep the remaining ones to make Israel release 2000 more” or are you going to say “the bombing casualties are big but they are less than 2000 so let’s still keep the hostages”, or I dunno, maybe “those prisoners are more valuable than hostages and any possible casualties”?

        Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.

        Are prisoners supposed to fix that or what? What is the scenario where hostages are going to help in stopping the bombings, if they are not released? Israeli protests are going to make them stop? And after that, the protests will also stop? But the prisoners would still be there, right?

        What about the rest of the protesters around the world? Do you not consider the possibility of those protesters to increase in numbers if there would be no hostages?

        As much as I want to understand the point, I don’t see how the remaining hostages are going to benefit Gaza. There are not enough of them. They are not worth it.

        The OP image should have also highlighted the second paragraph.

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    Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?

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      It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.

      When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.

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      The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.

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        Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.

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        Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.

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          I meant normal in wartime. It wasn’t just a slaughter like Israel is doing. People could still have jobs and do stuff.

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            Indeed. If with doing jobs you mean the forced labor camps that healthy men were forced into. I mean, you just don’t help the cause by downplaying the bad experiences of other countries.

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        As a new biography Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, excerpted exclusively in this week’s PEOPLE, reveals, it was her experiences during Germany’s five-year occupation of Holland during World War II that truly shaped her.

        While more has come out in recent years about her war experience, Robert Matzen’s book reveals harrowing new details about how a young Hepburn battled severe malnutrition, particularly during what was known as the “Hunger Winter” of 1944-45.

        Leading up to that brutally cold winter, as Germany tightened its grip on Holland, Hepburn and her family were often forced to live in the cellar for days and weeks at a time due to bombing overhead. And food became more and more scarce.

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      Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it

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        “the muslims” Okay now let’s see what it would looks like if I change this word by an other one starting with a J.

        Wait…?! Why I’m getting Déjà vu…ಠ_ಠ

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      Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.

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        It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company

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          It’s probably not them. I didn’t see anything about Gaza genocide in the impact studies section.

          /s

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      Well, with the way things are going, it won’t be read in the U.S.A. It’ll be banned.