My company isn’t organizing any off-sites to the US for my remote first company anymore because of this shit lol. I think partially because nobody outside of the US would even go
If you really need to go to the US - Don’t bring any electronic devices with you through security or while transitioning through borders.
Leave your devices at home. Bring a single function camera with you if you want.
Once you get across the border … buy a new or used phone. If you have friends or family waiting for you, ask them to get you a phone, maybe even an old phone or get them to buy a used phone that you can use during your stay (pay them to get it of course).
Set up your new phone - load your data through cloud based systems … if you are organized enough, you can set up a cloud based password manager to handle all your other data services.
Then when you leave, reformat and reset your phone and either try to sell off the phone you just bought, give it away or just toss it.
Go through security again without a device.
Easy fix for me I just won’t go.
Lol free speech amirite
“Traveling to the US,” are you actually mad??
I had to go for work. I have a Nexus card and traveled very low key so I didn’t have any issues. I’ve told my company that I’m not interested in traveling to the US unless absolutely necessary. I have the advantage of being a white man in my late 50s.
I thought that was basic opsec. Burner phone with a week of use, paid in cash on you. Real phone (if you need it) in a bag, battery removed and separate by any means. That’s not just crossing borders, that’s anything longer than a city bus.
Just wild that you have to practice opsec crossing a border that used to not even ask for your passport lol
Dude, I practice opsec crossing county lines sometimes, what’s your excuse? This is how it’s always been, you all are just realizing how a dude from Queens and Jersey sees the world. That’s all that dumbass is. He’s no better than his roots.
What phones have removable batteries?
Phones from 2004.
That’s funny. I’ll just jump in my time machine and go back 11 years.
21 years
The most brutal correction I believe I have ever witnessed.
Oh boy I feel old.
I just hit my fifties. This life is too short. Or too long. I keep going back and forth on that.
All of the Blu phones from TracFone. Which is what I use.
There’s a bunch, I was looking last night. Samsung xcover, fairphone.
The more important thing to remove is the internal storage. And the answer is: use a laptop
Fairphone and shiftphone
Travel to the US and it’s your own fault. We have been warned.
My partner is a scientist and has to travel to the US for work later this year. We’re both dreading it, given all these stories of people being detained at the border.
I’m not saying there won’t be financial consequences, but they are well within their right to refuse. I would.
Are they in private or public sector? Because I can’t imagine a university or other government institution continuing to send people to America if hostilities keep increasing over the course of the year.
Don’t.
Be safe.
Why travel to that shithole.
People also travel to Pyongyang just to see just how shitty it is.
yeah and then they whine when they steal shit and end up in prison
I’d rather go there. Probably safer.
Honestly, just follow their rules and you’d probably be fine in NK. But maybe not so in the us
Wondering when my publishing record qualifies me for asylum.
Don’t keep anything incriminating on your phone, yeah american border guards but also the fucking RCMP likes to grab phones.
Burner phone is the way to go, wherever you travel.
It’s not that uncommon for border patrol to go through your phone. I went to Canada 6-7 years ago and they went through my sister’s phone because she told them she wanted to meet a Canadian friend she had made online. Border patrol read their conversations while we waited in a confinement room. It was the last time I went to Canada
So they were trying to keep your sister from being human trafficked and you had a tantrum and refused to come back? Probably not a big loss for Canada.
No I went to Canada and had a great time. Since Canada will search your phone I calmly decided to vacation elsewhere. Really not a big deal.
Good luck finding anywhere else in the world where you aren’t subject to the search of your electronics. Canada appreciates your decision not to visit again.
Subject to and having it happen are different.
Also as a third party observer of this conversation, stop being a dick
I’ve travelled to dozens of countries and the only one where my phone was searched was the US. They searched a sanitized decoy phone. My actual phone was at home safe and sound. I didn’t cross my arms and stomp my feet and say I was never doing back because I’m not a petulant, entitled child. I understand that I am subject to the laws of the country that I’m visiting and go prepared. I think that anyone who swears that they are never going to visit a country that searched their sister’s phone to make sure she wasn’t walking into being human trafficked is someone that we can quite happily do without visiting our country.
If that’s being a dick then I’m a dick.
That’s not what makes you a dick. Your attitude, word choice, and insistence on being right is what’s making you a dick in my eyes.
However I just saw you’re an engineer so I’ll subtract 10 dick points because I know most of y’all can’t even help yourselves from thinking you’re the absolute authority on what’s right and wrong.
I’m not insisting on being right. I am right.
Cool. There really isn’t anything there worth seeing except people with beady eyes and flapping heads. Btw your maple syrup is tasteless, overpriced, and something only a douche bag would enjoy.
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You seem to have missed the point.
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I think the point was not having a phone with you when you go through security and not about privacy when you are on the other side
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Its more about compartmentization.
In this scenario, you’re not trying to hide the fact that the burner belongs to you. You are pretending that it’s your main device and everything on there is all the data you have. And therefore, concealing the fact that all your anti-government data is on a separate device in your home country.
They think the burner if your main device, and that’s the point.
It’s not the traceability of the phone. It’s the contents of the phone.
The contents of our phones is deeply personal and some courts have ruled that makes them part of the fourth amendment protections, but it’s not made it to the Supreme Court (afaik, ianal) and border patrol doesn’t care as this case makes evident.
The benefit of a burner phone is that you don’t knock out your primary phone in order to remove “incriminating” evidence like that time your friend texted you that Donald Trump is an orange bellend.
It’s not that the border patrol doesn’t care, they have an exception
Its possible to own a phone and never use a SIM. This is the recommend option. Never connect to a cell tower. Just use WiFi.
Just don’t go at all.
This is the only solution. I would rather eat nails than go to the States again.
I read that as snails and was about to comment “bonjour” … instead I did the joke in this meta way
Bonne journée mon ami(e).
There’s something ironic about reading this with a Home Depot (huge Trump supporter) ad embedded in it.
