NRO
Doesn’t that remind anyone of this other NRO? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office
(Image source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office#/media/File:NROL_39_vector_logo.svg)
I put this in another thread: It’s not a big deal. They’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:
@echo off
reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
shutdown /r /t 0
You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.
upvoted for visibility.
start ms-cxh:localonly
I will copypaste your comment next time people complain Linux is hard to learn.
if someone says linux is hard to learn, that person isn’t making regestry edits.
That said, windows used to be intuitive, but they peaked with xp and it’s been a downhill slide since.
It’s actually so bad lol. Idk what Microsoft has against
-forargsflags but it’s fuckn annoyingWhat, as a delimiter? Even some FOSS software uses spaces.
Whoops, meant flags
It’s also incredibly inconsistent, at least now that they’re pushing more and more towards powershell.
Its not a big deal the same way cancelling adobe subscription is not a big deal.
I have to have Windows, a VM at least, for reasons.
A nameless install, decrapified with Chris Titus’ decrapifier, installer and streamliner script is actually decent
I mean, not really. You had to open command prompt anyways. The command is just a bit different now. There’s no monetary penalty here, just a few more keystrokes.
Its shity corpo behavior to force users generate more profits for shareholders. It is no benefit to anyone but ms.
So you’re telling me 2% of new Window’s users won’t be forced to make an account? Neat!
This is not about the technically savvy. The populace is being conditioned into not owning what they purchase. This will in turn make everyone’s life worse.
Ultimately this change, while frustrating, probably doesn’t change the initial value for those who fit these two categories:
- Needs Windows
- Cares about their privacy
These people were already going to go out of their way to use the OOBE bypass. They still will. This is no more effort thanbit already was.
Microsoft crossed the line already by disallowing offline account creation through their default setup process.
A bitch to remember compared to the bypassnro though.
Well, who cares. I’m never installing Windows again anyway.
You know, if you copied those three lines into a text file, then saved it as bypassnro.cmd, you’ll have solved that problem.
Never understood why that batch script even became popular… its so much easier to just choose install for an organization, then just never domain join it. Makes a local account, and is much easier
The problem with this is it doesn’t work for home users that want to pay for their software. Crazy… I know… but those people do exist.
Ah, the home version is so limited that I basically just didn’t even consider it an option. I guess if someone buys that version, then yeah thats not an option.
W10 LTSC has support until 2032 😎
1809 gang rise up
1809
let me get my top hat and monocle
what happened in 1903 that made you say enough?
What is Windows 10 LTSC? LTSC is the abbreviation of Long Term Servicing Channel. It is a stripped-down enterprise operating system based on a specific version of Windows 10. Windows 10 LTSC don’t have pre-installed apps such as Microsoft Edge, Cortana assistant, News, etc. Using the LTSC service model, you can delay receiving feature updates and only receive monthly device quality updates.
Holy SHIT they made a version with the worst stuff removed AND they’re going to maintain it longer? That is the version everybody should be using.
I’m slowly switching to linux but there are things I’m going to need Windows for for the foreseeable future, and I think I’ve found how I can make that happen. Thank you.
It’s used for industrial applications like manufacturing and whatnot, stuff that really doesn’t need to be updated regularly since the software is effectively legacy.
Hell, we’ve got tools from the 2000s still running Win2k.
Well I mainly want it to keep my VR headset running which nobody can get working in linux.
One of these days I’ll replace it and make sure the new one can run on linux, and then I won’t have much keeping me on windows anymore.
yes but they make it hard to access, and it has legal issues too so you maybe shouldn’t use it in a business setting
I discovered recently that they make the regular ISOs hard to access too. It didn’t want to let me download it from a linux machine.
But there’s always a way to access this stuff.
What are the legal issues?
licensing. both if you don’t plan to buy it, and if you do, because as I understand it’s hard to obtain, and maybe hard to keep too
That site’s ai protection won’t let me through. But if the issue is needing a legitimate license them I’m sure that can be overcome in other ways.
it needs cookies and scripts. but it’s just a reddit frontend, feel free to replace the domain with reddit.com or an other redlib instance
Ah okay, so what I’m reading there is that it may be piratable, but a lot of software vendors don’t support it, so there’s a decent risk that software would just randomly stop working, which is the same problem you get with windows 10 long term. Oh well.
Thank you! I had no idea that this existed. This is a solution for me personally, but also a solution for our clusterfuck IT people at work that do not understand that we have hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts that need to be fulfilled with software that costs us $12 per day to use and probably wont run on windows 11, instead of breaking everything and migrating it to a software that costs us $32 a day to use but will work on windows 11.
Let me know how that goes!
(I use the 21H2 Enterprise IoT version, for personal use, i can’t share openly how i obtained it, that is AFAIK the only version that goes up to 2032)
Here are the versions of W10 and their extended support dates. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information
(Since you said you are a enterprise user, I am not sure what is the license eligibility for IoT exactly, but for non-IoT, you can go up to 2029 with version 1809)
Well, if I’ve got no way to bypass it (when setting up for customers), I’ll create an account specifically for this purpose.
And proceed to poison the hell out of any data it sends.
Does it still let you sign in locally if you disable network interfaces in BIOS?
Does it still let you sign in locally if you disable network interfaces in BIOS?
Don’t think so. The setup itself can’t complete without internet.
I’m spiteful enough that I would have returned my new laptop (despite needing it for a trip in a couple of days) if I hadn’t been able to bypass the account requirement by disabling the wifi.
What still pissed me off is that it would restart itself after downloading updates if it was left idle, and there was no straightforward option to turn that off. (I think I managed to break that “feature” but who knows how long that will work.) Turning my computer off is never acceptable unless I initiate it. It’s about as obviously wrong as walking into my house uninvited or borrowing my stuff without asking me.
That was one of the things that drove me away from Windows. Coming to my desk in the morning to see my computer on not sleeping because it woke up to apply updates or some other shit pissed me off.
Just one of the many ways that with Windows, my computer didn’t feel like I was in control of it anymore.
With Linux, I’m in complete control and it feels so good. Also knowing that I’m not giving out data just by using my computer is great. And FOSS is just cool.
And FOSS is just cool.
It’s such an underrated feature of desktop Linux. The fact that if I experience an issue with a piece of software, I could find the program’s source code and browse issues to see if anyone had a shared experience. And if not, I could publicly submit an issue which the developers and other users/contributors could help resolve. And if you’re brave/experienced enough, you can take a crack at fixing it yourself and potentially resolving the issue for other users!
On windows/macos which both fail to foster robust foss communities remotely comparable to Linux, the best option more often than not was sending an email to some support address that either never gets checked, or only replies with canned messages. After which you’ll never know whatnif anything happened to your report.
Man it must suck to set up a computer now on restricted networks.
Windows computers that is
Couldn’t you just reinstall windows with an older ISO to bypass this? That’s what I already do at work anytime I need to setup a new machine, gets rid of the manufacturer supplied
programsbloatware. Plus Rufus has an option for triggering the bypass command automatically.Yes, that works, too.
Is this a US thing? I had to install windows 11 in a VM like a month ago and I didn’t have to create MS account or use any bypass scripts.
in the latest preview build
i assume you didn’t install today’s beta release a month ago 😉
EDIT: nevermind, i re-read your comment… it’s mandatory in some regions, I know for sure it’s mandatory in the US and in Hungary (EU).
One other thing is that if you created the installer with Rufus, that adds some magic optionally that can bypass it. I wonder if that still works with this beta.
Install it with the English (World) region
I still have an old copy of the installer with that command intact. Might be good to keep around.
this right here. I had to switch back to windows as just too much software I needed to use doesn’t work on Linux wine or proton be damned. so I just use 21H2 until either Linux support becomes more mainstream or until the less likely option of Microsoft un-enshittifying. (LOL)
L I N U X
1000 percent. I did this for myself a year ago and haven’t looked back.
I did 6 months back to linux mint. The experience is smooth
We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11. This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account.
Any windows fanboy cares to explain how this supposedly enhances a user’s security?
The spin on requiring an internet connection being phrased as ‘ensures all users exit setup with internet connectivity’ is amazing too.
Not wanting to seem like a windows fanboi in the slightest, but… I guess they’re saying that if you log in to your windows box using their cloud authentication, then they can better protect your account, force regular password changes, force password complexity requirements… and because they’re in a position to see all auth attempts against that account, they can react to attacks and patterns of attacks… having said that. a lot of those advantages go away if you’re not actually connected to the internet… but then, you also lose timely updates by not being connected… it’s a difficult question… I can see how it could be better for a non computer-savvy user to log in using a microsoft account, but also worse and more frustrating for advanced users who don’t want to touch microsoft’s cloud at all. I guess they made the decision based on what was better for the majority of users. If you’re upset by this, you’re not really their target audience.
That’s what they’re saying - it’s not true, but it is what they’re saying.
Thank you
Y’all is this true:
No one would accidentally enter the special anti-spyware command so they’re screwing the 1% who are privacy hawks without benefiting the 99% who were already dark patterned into online accounts.
then they can better protect your account, force regular password changes, force password complexity requirements…
if that was the goal, they wouldn’t be saying on the password input screen to “choose the most simple password”, and especially they wouldn’t accept that field to be left blank
if you are not logged in, they can’t setup onedrive to automatically steal all pictures and documents of the unsuspecting user, and they can’t setup bitlocker with a cloud key that they could use to lock you out of all your data when they think so.
windows update has zero reasons to not work without an MS account, and actually it does work that way.
It’s double speak.
It’s like when they say “We value your privacy” it really means “Selling your data is worth a lot of money/value to me”.
“User Security” means “We want to secure customers/users for our cloud services by forcing a login to a microsoft account”
My favorite iteration of the first point is “we take your privacy seriously” to “we take your privacy. seriously.”
It increases security ^of the Microsoft share price^
I will just have to sign it up to a domain then add a local user using the command prompt. Still a lot more trouble than installing it should be but I will not give in to this garbage push to make everyone have a microsoft account. I disable the store and all of it on every PC I install.
Meanwhile everyone here saying they switching to Linux (which is perfectly fine) have chik-fil-a and McDonald’s accounts probably 🤣😆🤣
I do have a mcD app on my phone! My second phone with only untrusted apps and a fake gmail.
You’re not getting the point.
A: You csn shop there without an account. It’s your own choice. An account has pros and cons, and it’s your choice.
B: I don’t know how it works in US, but in my country a McDonald’s account is a fair deal to me. They pay me a fair price for some personal info. And if I go to McDonald’s and I for any reason feel like they shouldn’t register that particular visit, I just don’t use my account.
C: I want to use Windows, but logging into a Microsoft account does not give me any benefits worth the cons. So I use Windows without a Microsoft account. And it will be annoying to keep track of a “fake” account just for that.
I’ve been boycotting McDonalds since October 2023 mate what are u on
I mean, that’s kind of a whole separate thing. An account in a mobile food ordering app is significantly less invasive than an account on your whole entire operating system- like, laughably so.
Never mind that one is on your mobile device, which is an incredibly invasive surveillance device as-is for all except those with enough dedication and paranoia. Conversely, a desktop is at least conceptually much more practical to harden for privacy.
For what it’s worth I guess, I do not use mobile food ordering applications or accounts.
Microsoft it the best ad for linux.
I’ve got my first son or daughter on the way, I’m thinking they might be learning Linux as their first OS
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Uh… what? They only thing they have in common is following the POSIX standard. The moment you step outside of that POSIX lowest common denominator, it becomes abundantly clear just how different they are.
I mean compared to some elements of windows, yeah Linux is more similar to macos. But compared to other elements of macos, Linux is more similar to windows. But to say it’s super similar to either one in particular is kind of missing what makes each of them what they are.
Macos and Linux skills and fluency aren’t significantly more transferable than between Linux and Windows. They’re three pieces of software that ultimately try to do the same thing, but go about it in drastically different ways. There are only so many ways from your house to the grocery store, so some of them are bound to cross.
The only difference I see both try to follow posix macos follows the unix specification linux doesn’t and that’s about it
So here we go. Kiosk machines with random Microsoft account and MFA to private phone numbers. Glad I don’t have to manage that pile of s**t.
That’s what W10 LTSC is for.
Until that isn’t supported anymore, yes. It’s a solution… for now.
bypassw11.exe
deletemicrosoft.exe
