Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Chatham Islands ?
I chose Tasmania, am here now… I dont think anywhere is but i am hoping it’s lesser and i am not the literal tip of the spear.
Albiet the poulation is older, white, conservative, religious so there is that problem.
How do you like Tasmania?
While Latin America is, overall, a good choice, it’s important to recognize that the mask off fascism we are seeing from the US will only increase the meddling they already do on their “backyard”, so keep that in mind.
Was gonna say that.
It was pretty safe in the last two world wars.
If you weren’t living under one of the US sponsored dictatorships, sure.
Which countries are you talking about?
Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil and probably more I’ve failed to remember.
That’s was after WWII, during WWII Latin America was a “safe” heaven
I suppose if your only concern is whether a bomb is going to drop on you, you are correct. But maybe you should consider if being kidnapped, tortured and killed without your family ever knowing what actually happened to you is “safe”
“Which countries” basically all of them since the 1800s
The Canary Islands.
I like tropical, and it’s Spain, so part of the western world.
Everyone saying Latin America has absolutely no clue about what Latin America is, lol. The only place safe from fascism rn is either another planet or being dead.
As a Costa Rican, I agree. Hell, we even have one of trumps deportation (concentration) camps over here
I could give a ton of counter examples based only in Brazil
Any plans to start saving up to move elsewhere, by the way?
No. Moving elsewhere is a high emotional and financial cost that I will avoid until it is not possible to avoid anymore (also, where in the world is safe of fascism rn?)
As a Puerto Rican, I am very upset about all the fascism taking place in our federal government
Vietnam. Decent enough government and standard of living, and they whooped America’s ass so bad that it’d be political suicide to go back there. I mean, what kind of timeline would we have to be on for someone to be stupid enough to… hmm.
Considering that fucking Greenland is caught up in it now, idk that anywhere is safe.
Communism is kind of a red flag though
You get a gold star for that.
Think my home country Suriname is pretty safe. Almost no one knows it exists and there’s plenty of places to ride out instability
I am going to timetravel to the 1890s
The dream of the 1890s is alive in Portland
It’s the dysentery, isn’t it?
The historian Zeev Sternhell has traced the ideological roots of fascism back to the 1880s and in particular to the fin de siècle theme of that time
(Wikipedia )
So if you could timetravel back a bit more and see if rebooting fixes this whole thing…
If we take its actual definition; far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist, countries like Cuba for sure fits the bill. Now Cuba is authoritarian (and normal since they are in permanent and genuine threat from its neighbor) and probably that is not what is in your mind. Latin America is, as many as you pointed out, no ideal… but most countries there at least lacks of a strong government to enforce things (for better or worse) so, in a turbulent world, it is indeed a better bet. I think, for the time being, Spain has proven to be resilient to authoritarianism and even the voters of “extreme” parties are not that extreme themselves! In Latin America, Mexico is proven to have an amazing leadership (today, I consider it the best worldwide) so unlikely to change overnight. Colombia, Chile and Uruguay seems promising too.
See, when we analyze Latin America countries, one cannot think exclusively in terms of US or Europe political science. Our states may seem like weak forces when scrutinized from afar, however this is exactly the problem. Fascism has different ways of spreading through institutions and evangelical militias or drug cartels are literally everywhere. Sometimes, our states do not enforce fascism by law. They are weak on surface and extremely dangerous in their militias and affiliations with drug cartels. The contradiction is the rule around here. Mexico is not the heaven you make it sound. Do not trust a country’s safety based on official governments, it is a starter error when analyzing Latin America politics
I hear you! That is why I wanted to go with the definition of Fascism, but you are right. Let me rephrase it; If the world continues the path it is going, countries like Mexico seems to be a great bet to move in if you come with some good financial resources since you can compliment’s government security with private methods ones (like a gated community). Mexico will likely be neutral in a global conflict. Likewise, Spain seems good because I don’t see Spaniards been dragged by Brussels into any global conflict and if their American bases there get attacked, I see most people just ask to withdraw from NATO before entering in conflict themselves. Morocco, in spite I despise what they do to West Sahara’s (in tents for 40 years) and its coziness with Israel, it is quite stable too… If Morocco leadership (and Spanish!) could only see how greatly they could benefit from the current situation if they both acted like Mexico… being neutral and be a beacon for skilled/affluent migrants and investment!
A concerning example regarding what I’m saying is the fact that over Rio de Janeiro there are drug cartels which distribute cocaine packed in Israel’s flag. I wish I was kidding.
Is it because they’re Jewish? They support Palestine’s genocide? No, they’re Christian Neopentecostal Evangelicals who apply their (unofficial but VERY real) rules based on the Bible and make money over cocaine cartels. Israel’s flag is a way of showing they are God’s chosen and the true governors of Rio de Janeiro.
This is only a superficial example.
Thanks for the article! Yes, South America is not free from this. One thing I have learned in my life is that how similar people we are everywhere… only circumstances make us seem different. Long gone are my admiration for Scandinavians! What most South America seems however (specially if a sizeable country), is distant enough from China, US and Russia to be easily dragged along in a conflict… and also their governments are weak enough to implement a global draft for instance.
Marquesas islands. They are very large, no dangers, lot of hideouts, lot of food resources, innaccessible for wheel vehicles, almost impossible to build large bases and to urbanise (small interest for China), they are isolated from other archipelagos, and the islands have not even 10k inhabitants in total (14 islands) so no one would get interest in nuking here.
I’m sold! Got to start learning French now.
East Africa. I just like the idea.
Bold to presume that we would want to survive it.
Fwiw Musk says that he wants to leave Earth and go to Mars, which is great news for the rest of us:-).
To be fair, in Musk’s fantasy Mars is the easier planet to live on.
It’s not. The story about mars allowed Musk to build the rockets to launch the StarLink satellites.
Given the preparation for war with China, can we exclude that those satellites carry payloads to take down intercontinental missiles?
Otherwise the USA could feel safe and be willing to engage in a nuclear war.
I was about to say Mars, but Elon Rat plans to go there
Mars is boring
Choose a cooler planet like Pluto
Nomadic life makes the most sense, just figure out your mode(s) of transportation.
I’ve given some thought to a sailboat, as I love sailing.
I was looking into boats for a moment, all the legalities were too much of a learning curve for me, but there’s a lot of water out there.
Something like this would be ideal, though I don’t have the $7M+ one of these probably cost. Really fast too. Can hit 30kts and sail at or above wind speed with winds above 5mph. You could cover 200-400 nautical miles per day.
Realistically, I want a Seawind 1160. Unfortunately, I’ve been keeping an eye on prices for used ones since before the pandemic, and they never seem to get any cheaper. 🙁
Seems like a great choice, and not a bad price.
New Zealand
I’ve got a bug out zone extremely close to a bordering country that’s self sufficient. Staying put unless things get wildly out of hand. We could probably house another 2 families if needed.
Can I call dibs?
