Yeah, unfortunately we’re investing tens of billions into EV manufacturing. Another major investment from Siemens was announced just this morning. If we drop those very justified tariffs, we won’t have an EV industry in Canada anymore. As long as the Chinese government is heavily subsidizing BYD research and production, tariffs are appropriate to balance the playing field. Otherwise our nacent industry will get smothered in the crib.
Yea let’s not do what we always do by switching from one bad thing to the thing we know is worse because “change” while better solutions exist. China also threatens sovereignty, supplies Russia, and even works with North Korea. They have even worse labour issues than the US does, though oddly they seem to do alright with trans rights. The concentration camps for Uyghurs does offset that last bit, though.
I wish we had more brains than “frying pan hot, must jump into fire”.
switching from one bad thing to the thing we know is worse
How is an EV worse because of its nation of origin?
China also threatens sovereignty, supplies Russia, and even works with North Korea.
China is in no way impugning on Canadian sovereignty. They’re doing business with Russia just like every single other Asiatic Nation, from South Korea to India to Turkyie - none of which are undergoing comparable sanctions.
Which is particularly galling, given that South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol used “Secret North Korean election interference” as his excuse to launch a coup on Parliament just a couple of months ago.
China also has detained Canadian citizens several times in the past and it has been major issues trying to get them back here. That alone probably isn’t enough to warrant such extreme sanctions, but their disregard for many human rights is a problem we all face unless we’re shitty, selfish, nationalist assholes at which point that opinion ceases to hold much weight.
South Korea showed us that when someone in power tries to do a crazy thing the country as a wholw will actually do something to stop them. Yoon Suk Yeol was impeached and that whole thing is still ongoing, with the court to rule on that on Friday so I’m not sure why you think that’s a gotcha.
In Beijing, while operating as intelligence assets to the detriment of the country.
Kovrig was considered an intelligence asset, as a diplomatic officer at the Global Security Reporting Program (GSRP) within the Canadian embassy in Beijing, and later when based in Hong Kong at International Crisis Group, according to a 2023 report
This appears to be in direct response to the Canadian arrest and prosecution of Huawei’s chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou, who was visiting Canada on business and was arrested with intent to extradite her to the US. That arrest was in pursuit of a US sanction against Iran, another country whose people were chronically subjected to infiltratation, sabotage, and assassination by Western security and paramilitary forces.
What this had to do with Canadian Sovereignty is not clear. Are Canadian spies arrested on Chinese soil in reprisal for the seizure and extradition of a Chinese businesswoman a threat to Canadian Independence? Because it seems to be the absolute opposite.
South Korea showed us that when someone in power tries to do a crazy thing the country as a wholw will actually do something to stop them
The South of Korea has been under occupation by American military and intelligence services since the 1950s. This particular president’s coup attempt threatened the interests of American State officials, so the Korean military friendly with the US allowed the coup to fail. But the parliament has done little to curb a future Yoon or Park administration from returning to power in the next election cycle, under a far more coup-favorable Trump State Department.
The problem is we probably need one of them? Their economies are massive and America’s by far the biggest. Unless we want our economy to shrink.
Like it or not they are the two biggest fish in the pond.
So we strengthen our connections with Europe, then, and ourselves. Yes, it will be harder than just flip-flopping between two bad options but that is literally the point I’m trying to make.
Look at our current setup: The Conservatives are garbage and the only good things the Liberals seem to do are things that the coalition with the NDP forced them to do. The NDP, however, is treated like they’re a non-starter option because they have fewer seats even though they got more than half of the Liberal or Conservative votes even with strategic voting being a thing. The Bloc got more seats while having slightly more than half the NDP votes.
We just keep bouncing between terrible options like stupid little reactionaries because it feels easier than doing anything that will genuinely help us.
You don’t have to do that. Remove tariffs on Chinese EVs, and the market will ruin Tesla on its own.
Yeah, unfortunately we’re investing tens of billions into EV manufacturing. Another major investment from Siemens was announced just this morning. If we drop those very justified tariffs, we won’t have an EV industry in Canada anymore. As long as the Chinese government is heavily subsidizing BYD research and production, tariffs are appropriate to balance the playing field. Otherwise our nacent industry will get smothered in the crib.
Wow, no kidding, we have 100% tarrifs on chinese EV and 25% chinese aluminium.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-china-electric-vehicles-1.7486204
If it comes to it, Canadians might have to seek alliance with China, and that’s something neither americans nor canadians really want.
Yea let’s not do what we always do by switching from one bad thing to the thing we know is worse because “change” while better solutions exist. China also threatens sovereignty, supplies Russia, and even works with North Korea. They have even worse labour issues than the US does, though oddly they seem to do alright with trans rights. The concentration camps for Uyghurs does offset that last bit, though.
I wish we had more brains than “frying pan hot, must jump into fire”.
How is an EV worse because of its nation of origin?
China is in no way impugning on Canadian sovereignty. They’re doing business with Russia just like every single other Asiatic Nation, from South Korea to India to Turkyie - none of which are undergoing comparable sanctions.
Which is particularly galling, given that South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol used “Secret North Korean election interference” as his excuse to launch a coup on Parliament just a couple of months ago.
China also has detained Canadian citizens several times in the past and it has been major issues trying to get them back here. That alone probably isn’t enough to warrant such extreme sanctions, but their disregard for many human rights is a problem we all face unless we’re shitty, selfish, nationalist assholes at which point that opinion ceases to hold much weight.
South Korea showed us that when someone in power tries to do a crazy thing the country as a wholw will actually do something to stop them. Yoon Suk Yeol was impeached and that whole thing is still ongoing, with the court to rule on that on Friday so I’m not sure why you think that’s a gotcha.
In Beijing, while operating as intelligence assets to the detriment of the country.
This appears to be in direct response to the Canadian arrest and prosecution of Huawei’s chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou, who was visiting Canada on business and was arrested with intent to extradite her to the US. That arrest was in pursuit of a US sanction against Iran, another country whose people were chronically subjected to infiltratation, sabotage, and assassination by Western security and paramilitary forces.
What this had to do with Canadian Sovereignty is not clear. Are Canadian spies arrested on Chinese soil in reprisal for the seizure and extradition of a Chinese businesswoman a threat to Canadian Independence? Because it seems to be the absolute opposite.
The South of Korea has been under occupation by American military and intelligence services since the 1950s. This particular president’s coup attempt threatened the interests of American State officials, so the Korean military friendly with the US allowed the coup to fail. But the parliament has done little to curb a future Yoon or Park administration from returning to power in the next election cycle, under a far more coup-favorable Trump State Department.
The problem is we probably need one of them? Their economies are massive and America’s by far the biggest. Unless we want our economy to shrink. Like it or not they are the two biggest fish in the pond.
So we strengthen our connections with Europe, then, and ourselves. Yes, it will be harder than just flip-flopping between two bad options but that is literally the point I’m trying to make.
Look at our current setup: The Conservatives are garbage and the only good things the Liberals seem to do are things that the coalition with the NDP forced them to do. The NDP, however, is treated like they’re a non-starter option because they have fewer seats even though they got more than half of the Liberal or Conservative votes even with strategic voting being a thing. The Bloc got more seats while having slightly more than half the NDP votes.
We just keep bouncing between terrible options like stupid little reactionaries because it feels easier than doing anything that will genuinely help us.