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    There’s so much Democrat bootlicking in here, the comment section smells of wet leather and shoe polish.

    If you can’t draw the line at genocide, you’re trash. No exceptions.

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        I’m not defecting to Trump. I’m a socialist. I’m not supporting either of your genocidal fascists. Both gotta go.

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          So the solution in this case, would be to not vote? Think about this, if both sides have the same views on a topic, but they aren’t totally the same on every topic, then voters should pick them based on stuff they disagree on. This is actually entirely obvious

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            If you boil the entirety political action one can take to a binary choice between 2 Imperialist parties, then you’d have a point. To get to that point, though, you have had to fundamentally ignore the entire argument about voting being perhaps the weakest form of expressing political power one can do.

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              While voting, the only votes that matter are for the 2 leading parties. A third party vote is equivalent to not voting. Outside of the voting booth, there’s more you can do to push what you actually want. Doing stuff other than voting doesn’t mean you have to completely waste your vote too.

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                Third party votes do a number of things, from signaling disapproval for the electoral system in general, to supporting parties that one of the lead parties will need to bend towards to capture votes.

                Also, only a handful of states even matter, most states aren’t swing states. In these non-swing states, no vote matters. This is part of why voter apathy is so high.

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                  Nobody in power gives a crap about a protest vote, If you spend that time protesting elsewhere you’ll make a bigger impact.

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                    If they aren’t trying to get my vote, why would I vote for them? They’re telling me to fuck off!

                    A party that’s moderately responsive to its constituents would see their usual voters defecting and try to do something to bring them back. Democrats don’t even clear that low bar.

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                    People out of power care. The Working Class should signal its own strength by fronting its own party, not the bourgeois parties.

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                    If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t spend millions of dollars to block “protest candidates” from ballots and debates.

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            I had planned to vote for Claudia De La Cruz, but the Democrats sued her off of the ballot in my state.

            But they won’t let us take control at the ballot box. The capitalists will turn the guns on us before they hand over their power, even if we followed their rules.

            Also, the Dems are working with the GOP to ban ranked choice voting nation wide.

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              I had planned to vote for Claudia De La Cruz, but the Democrats sued her off of the ballot in my state.

              So what? You can write in a candidate. It’s not like it would make any difference either way.

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                  The thing to fight for is ranked choice voting, or some other method without a spoiler effect. Until you have that, the only thing that matters in the ballot box is the top two candidates. Anything else is equivalent to not voting. I’m saying you should make the choices that have the best actual effect, not make a worthless protest vote to make yourself feel good.

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                    The thing to fight for is ranked choice voting, or some other method without a spoiler effect. Until you have that

                    No. The thing is for candidates to endorse ranked choice voting and implement it, and until they do that, they are going to have to deal with the spoiler effect.

                    This shit is so stupid. “You have to fall in line unconditionally forever, until, out of the kindness of their hearts and against their own interests, the party decides to let you out of that situation.” That’s just saying we have to fall in line unconditionally forever. They’re never going to just give us systemic change, it’s designed this way on purpose and is working exactly the way they want it to.

                    The only way to actually apply pressure towards getting necessary policies is through setting conditions on your vote based on those policies. This ideology of “lesser-evilism” is completely illogical and incoherent, and the whole reason we’re here is because it’s such an egregious failure. There is no incentive for politicians to implement RCV if they know they’ll have your vote either way. It’s the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

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        even more genocide

        Nope, you were just pretending it wasn’t happening when your team did it. In that sense, I’m glad that the president is being open about it, it means you libs can’t deny it as easily

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          My team? I am not even American. I am just saying that while Democrats werent doing much to prevent the war crimes in Gaza they at least did a little bit. Meanwhile, the Republicans are actively cheering Israel on and deporting protesters.

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              hey they made an aid pier that got used to distribute a tiny amount of supplies before it got used to launch an Israeli massacre and then broke apart under its own weight

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            while Democrats werent doing much to prevent the war crimes in Gaza they at least did a little bit.

            Nope. The democrats weren’t just not doing anything to stop the genocide (which you’re trying to downplay as just “war crimes”), they were actively helping commit the genocide.

            You’re lying to protect people committing genocide. You are a genocide denier

            Meanwhile, the Republicans are actively cheering Israel on and deporting protesters.

            At least they’re fucking honest! That’s less loathsome than you dishonest fuckers, who are just as genocidal but are also liers. You are more evil than them