• Cimbazarov [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    At first I thought this was a leak, but no they are just very open about wanting spies in the CPC.

    I feel like Trump operates on the assumption that no one will react to counteract whatever strategy he implements. It’s the simplest answer I can think of.

    Also lmao, all the things they listed as reasons why someone would want to defect (firing, jailed, disappeared) are things the US government has done this year

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      I feel like Trump operates on the assumption that no one will react to counteract whatever strategy he implements.

      Well, when his greatest domestic opposition is the democratic party, it’s been a correct and winning assumption. The logic becomes “What’s anyone gonna do, impeach me again?” On top of that, when most of the vassals fall immediately in to line when he says so, being good dogs for the US, and the strategy keeps working even with foreign policy, there’s not much incentive to do otherwise. Fortunately China is not the Democrats nor are they Europe.

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      Also lmao, all the things they listed as reasons why someone would want to defect (firing, jailed, disappeared) are things the US government has done this year

      projection

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      At first I thought this was a leak, but no they are just very open about wanting spies in the CPC.

      I recall an answer from John Stockwell’s interview (starting 9:05). To summarize: the CIA often aren’t trying to hide. They want potential assets to know how to find them. “[Former CIA director Allen Dulles] in the foreword of his book said that an intelligence agent, contrary to popular opinion, has to be known as such, otherwise people with secrets won’t know where to take them.”, “[CIA officers are] not fearful, they’re not playing cover games, they’re having lunch with the police chief.”

      Obviously take with a grain of salt, that’s how certain operatives operate in certain conditions, but this isn’t uncharacteristic. It’s no secret that the CIA exist.

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    Y’all ever seen that short film the cia made about some guy becoming a Chinese spy

    I can’t remember anything from it other than it was very funny

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    There is no way the goal is what they stated. They’re obviously not stupid enough to believe any party member would go through with this that wasn’t already an agent for Chinese intelligence services. Is this just to provoke China? Is this some sort of cover because they have a means of poking China with some information that they collected elsewhere? Gotta be more than meets the eye.

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      I feel you, but every week the

      [feel]

      actually no, they really are that dumbfuck stupid irl. It’s actually pretty scary. Yes capital has an influence, and part of that influence is enabling these idiots to be in charge of it all. Usually these idiots would have a boss (the president or whatever) who was at least competent at managing the capitalism machine, but liberalism is unable to even produce that reliably.

      Right-conspiracy theories sometimes might come from a place of being unable to accept a chaotic world and ascribing fucked up things to a higher level of control. Like illuminati (with the anti-Semitism stuff sauteed in to varying levels) and all that. I need to not fall into that trap and ascribe some level of control or intelligence where none may very well exist. Holy shit I hope I can survive what’s gonna happen.

      feel gets stronger and stronger. I think I might be past the point of no return on that.

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    Spies get executed in the PRC, and not to mention, the quality of life is always improving there, why seek to destroy good things? The only people falling for this have already been in the west for too long and think liberalism works

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      I mean not enough domestic universities, especially good ones given the huge educated population is a very big problem for China. One of the most successful tactics for recruiting spies is guaranteeing the spies children admission in a top American school

      See: Xi’s daughter attending Harvard

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      Well the network of spies they had back in the day were all put in the blender and now no one wants to take the risk, also you could find plenty of hanjian in China back then but life is a whole lot better now.

      The real threat is letting the Shanghai liberal clique take over and do a Gorby + Yeltsin, you wanna find CIA spies you look there first.

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    The Mandarin-language videos are modeled on a series of videos the agency made in recent years asking Russians to spy for the United States, appeals that previous C.I.A. leaders said helped develop new sources.

    Sure…

    Last year the C.I.A. released instructions in Mandarin [on Youtube] about how people in China could safely use the dark web to contact the agency. The text-only instructional video was viewed 900,000 times. While the Chinese internet is locked down and censored, American officials believe that more sophisticated Chinese officials know how to work around those controls.

    Aren’t VPNs very common in China?

    Here is how NYT described the videos:

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        They are describing american problems, expecting them to be similar and then framing them in “the party” language.

        It’s genuinely dogshit. The old trots turned neocons would cry at this, they were truly the most dangerous, effective and damaging thing we’ve ever seen.

        The correct way to find spies in the CPC is to [I wrote out my entire thoughts on this then decided to delete it and write this instead lmao]

        Seriously though, the people that best know how to fuck over communists are other communists.

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          As a fellow communist, I believe the proper answer to how to do this would be best explained by JDPON Donald Trump himself. Don’t tell the feds, we can’t let them destroy this beautiful country.

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    “…and he just…just tweeted it out.”

    Good idea, CIA. Tell everyone about the super secret communication networks you have so the opponent doesn’t know what to look for. Once again, former KGB must be absolutely seething.

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    This is theatre for American libs to make them think China must be bad if the poor chinese wanna spy and the CIA is getting responses to this.

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        I think the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs is having a press conference around 6 hours from now. I think one of the reporters will probably ask China about the videos.

        Edit /// Looks like the Chinese MFA didn’t post today. I think they will be closed until Monday.