@Viking_Hippie You’re obviously one of Klaus Schwab’s brain-washed minion. Sun don’t shine at night, wind blows randomly, hydro is great but only limited opportunities, and the Indians want to be able to fish unlimited salmon and are blaming the dams for not being able to do that, so yea, renewables are a problem.
@Viking_Hippie Yes I’ve heard of energy storage, there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity. Every heard of economics? There are only so many areas for pumped hydro and they are mostly tapped out. Lithium ion batteries have a habit of self-immolation and are prohibitively expensive and there isn’t enough accessible lithium on the planet to put a dent in the problem. What other brilliant ideas have you to offer?
there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity
That’s absolute nonsense.
Every heard of economics?
I have, yes. That’s part of why I’m arguing for energy production that’s cheaper in the short, medium, and long term and doesn’t rely on finite resources that have a deleterious effect on humanity.
@Viking_Hippie Well you are calling what I know to be fact non-sense so I know you are too out of touch with reality to have a coherent discussion with.
Total world wide electricity generation is 17,400,000,000,000 watts, total battery energy storage 57,000,000,000, pumped hydro adds another 17,900,000,000 do the math and you can see why storage ain’t gonna get us there, at least not with existing technologies. The recent outages in Spain and Portugal were the direct result of unreliable renewable energy.
Total world wide electricity generation is 17,400,000,000,000 watts, total battery energy storage 57,000,000,000, pumped hydro adds another 17,900,000,000 do the math and you can see why storage ain’t gonna get us there
Fun fact: the current amount of storage is not the maximum amount possible. You’re conflating current capacity with maximum capacity possible, which is idiotic at best and deliberately misleading at worst.
You might as well say that it’s impossible for me to ever roller skate anywhere due to not currently owning any skates.
at least not with existing technologies
First of all, that’s not true. Second of all, even if it was, that’s irrelevant as new and improved technology is constantly being developed in spite of luddites like yourself trying their hardest to make it stop.
The recent outages in Spain and Portugal were the direct result of unreliable renewable energy.
Nope. I ask again: don’t you ever get tired of lying all the time?
@Viking_Hippie No I’m not conflating anything, what we have NOW determines how long the grid can tolerate under production and that is about five minutes. But wind might not blow for days, the sun is on average not in the sky 12 hours out of the day and the majority of those hours it is at an angle that makes less than peak production possible. But even if we used every gram of lithium we have we couldn’t produce enough storage. There are some alternatives, vanadium flow batteries, but again vanadium is expensive and in short supply, or sodium ion batteries, here we’ve probably got adequate materials, but sodium has a two step discharge curve that make the electronics more expensive. In short we don’t PRESENTLY have enough storage and it is doubtful that we will ever have enough to last overnight.
@Viking_Hippie You’re no fan of authoritarianism yet you want authority over others access to energy and goods. And you want to deny people access to reliable affordable energy which is necessary to the production of damned near everything.
yet you want authority over others access to energy and goods
Incorrect.
And you want to deny people access to reliable affordable energy
Literally the opposite of what I’m advocating.
which is necessary to the production of damned near everything.
Fossil fuels? Nope. There’s literally no fossil fuel product or process that doesn’t have alternatives.
The only reasons why fossil fuels haven’t been COMPLETELY phased out DECADES ago are billionaires and their conglomerates bribing politicians and buying media to spread disinformation and useful idiots like yourself helping for free.
@Viking_Hippie Sure there are alternatives but nothing can be put in place overnight and the capacity should be there before you should down fossil fuel plants. Also the only real reliable alternatives that can be scaled are nuclear fission and geo-thermal, and geo-thermal is only available in some geographical regions, although in the US you could build enough capacity in yellow-stone to supply the entire country, the same namby-pambys that are panic’ing over carbon dioxide don’t want to risk diminishing the geysers. And most of them are also opposed to nukes.
@Viking_Hippie You’re obviously one of Klaus Schwab’s brain-washed minion. Sun don’t shine at night, wind blows randomly, hydro is great but only limited opportunities, and the Indians want to be able to fish unlimited salmon and are blaming the dams for not being able to do that, so yea, renewables are a problem.
Alex Jones fanboy and/or antisemitic conspiracy theorist detected 🤦
I don’t think billionaires or greenwashing faux-nonprofits like the WEF should exist. And no, Soros isn’t paying me to say that 🙄
Ever heard of energy storage?
Nope
Which is why you combine it with other sources of renewable energy
Nope
Nope. Disinformation like what you’re spreading is the problem.
@Viking_Hippie Yes I’ve heard of energy storage, there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity. Every heard of economics? There are only so many areas for pumped hydro and they are mostly tapped out. Lithium ion batteries have a habit of self-immolation and are prohibitively expensive and there isn’t enough accessible lithium on the planet to put a dent in the problem. What other brilliant ideas have you to offer?
That’s absolute nonsense.
I have, yes. That’s part of why I’m arguing for energy production that’s cheaper in the short, medium, and long term and doesn’t rely on finite resources that have a deleterious effect on humanity.
Pumped hydro? Wait, you’re talking about hydrogen powered cars now? 🤦
Are on the way out as alternatives such as sodium batteries are being researched and improved
Here’s one: shut the fuck up with your nonsense before you embarrass yourself further.
@Viking_Hippie Well you are calling what I know to be fact non-sense so I know you are too out of touch with reality to have a coherent discussion with.
Fixed it for you.
Right back at you, “infowarrior” 🙄
Total world wide electricity generation is 17,400,000,000,000 watts, total battery energy storage 57,000,000,000, pumped hydro adds another 17,900,000,000 do the math and you can see why storage ain’t gonna get us there, at least not with existing technologies. The recent outages in Spain and Portugal were the direct result of unreliable renewable energy.
Fun fact: the current amount of storage is not the maximum amount possible. You’re conflating current capacity with maximum capacity possible, which is idiotic at best and deliberately misleading at worst.
You might as well say that it’s impossible for me to ever roller skate anywhere due to not currently owning any skates.
First of all, that’s not true. Second of all, even if it was, that’s irrelevant as new and improved technology is constantly being developed in spite of luddites like yourself trying their hardest to make it stop.
Nope. I ask again: don’t you ever get tired of lying all the time?
@Viking_Hippie No I’m not conflating anything, what we have NOW determines how long the grid can tolerate under production and that is about five minutes. But wind might not blow for days, the sun is on average not in the sky 12 hours out of the day and the majority of those hours it is at an angle that makes less than peak production possible. But even if we used every gram of lithium we have we couldn’t produce enough storage. There are some alternatives, vanadium flow batteries, but again vanadium is expensive and in short supply, or sodium ion batteries, here we’ve probably got adequate materials, but sodium has a two step discharge curve that make the electronics more expensive. In short we don’t PRESENTLY have enough storage and it is doubtful that we will ever have enough to last overnight.
@Viking_Hippie Not lying. It is a well known if not widely admitted to fact.
@Viking_Hippie Ok so you’re a communist, you think people should give you stuff free but deny them the means of production at the same time.
Wrong again. Unlike you, I’m no fan of authoritarianism.
Nope
Wrong again.
Don’t you ever get tired of trotting out your ridiculous army of strawmen?
@Viking_Hippie You’re no fan of authoritarianism yet you want authority over others access to energy and goods. And you want to deny people access to reliable affordable energy which is necessary to the production of damned near everything.
Correct.
Incorrect.
Literally the opposite of what I’m advocating.
Fossil fuels? Nope. There’s literally no fossil fuel product or process that doesn’t have alternatives.
The only reasons why fossil fuels haven’t been COMPLETELY phased out DECADES ago are billionaires and their conglomerates bribing politicians and buying media to spread disinformation and useful idiots like yourself helping for free.
@Viking_Hippie Sure there are alternatives but nothing can be put in place overnight and the capacity should be there before you should down fossil fuel plants. Also the only real reliable alternatives that can be scaled are nuclear fission and geo-thermal, and geo-thermal is only available in some geographical regions, although in the US you could build enough capacity in yellow-stone to supply the entire country, the same namby-pambys that are panic’ing over carbon dioxide don’t want to risk diminishing the geysers. And most of them are also opposed to nukes.