I mean, the problem here is that - wholesome as Gary is, young men don’t want “wholesome”.
I know that when I was a young man, I wanted to get the fuck out of my home town, have crazy adventures, improve the world on my own terms, and fuck every attractive women that came within 1000m of me (For the record, not much jas changed…).
And Gary is a nice guy with an unattractive wife, a steady job, and two kids. He spends his free time at the bar or mowing the lawn, getting fatter by the year. He likes to talk about the vacation he took to an all inclusive resort with his family a few years ago as if it was the great adventure of his life. Gary doesn’t have the most amazing life, but he has enough, and he’s happy.
And my response to Gary as a young man would have been to appreciate his encouragement, and take his advice with a smile, and then ignore all of it because fuck that nonsense, I am getting the fuck out of this shithole. I am not going to end up like Gary! I am not going to settle for a life of bullshit mediocrity, drinking myself to an early grave while every dream I ever had whithers on the vine. And I am absofuckingloutly not going to follow in his footsteps. Come hell or high water, I will die before I end up with such a piss poor excuse for a life!!!
Point being - if you want young men to take your advice rather than the advice of toxic influencers, you need to validate their desires and ambitions, rather than dismissing them and telling them to want something else. “Oh, you have goal X? Well that’s wrong - you should have goal Y, and here is how I got there” is not an effective way to offer advice to anyone
You don’t gotta front, bro, we all want to dick down Gary, it doesn’t make you gay.
Ironically you’re getting downvoted for telling people what they don’t want to hear. It’s tough to compete with someone claiming “you can have all you desire”. It’s similar to how trump won by recognizing what his target audience wants, validating their feelings, but then putting the blame on why they can’t achieve what they want based on all the wrong things.
Yeah, I feel like people think I’m, like, defending rightwing manosphere content creators, lol.
I’m saying that what these young men want is a given. So people who dont suck need to accept that and give them viable alternatives, rather than telling them that they are wrong for wanting what they want and chastising them for it.
I wanted to get the fuck out of my home town, have crazy adventures, improve the world on my own terms, and fuck every attractive women
And you think that’s nature, not nurture?
I’ll be honest, that’s not an experience I shared.
Idk, I guess you werent a punk kid growing up in the burbs.
I think its both, which is usually the case.
Nah, more goth leaning. My black is blacker than your black.
lol
tldr - Gary gives bad advice because he only offers happiness and contentment. This message doesnt work on young men because every single one wants to get rich and fuck women innately without any outside influence implanting that idea of “you are not good enough”.
“Oh, you have goal X? Well that’s wrong - you should have goal Y, and here is how I got there” is not an effective way to offer advice to anyone"
Where did you even get this? No one said this
I think this is copy/paste from his alpha subscription welcome kit.
He’s saying this is the good guys’ approach, it seems, which I disagree with.
I mean, just to put in basic terms, would you agree most young men should aim to be kingpin of their own casino, and have women falling over themselves to lick their jeans? And that anything less than that is a failure?
I’d imagine you don’t. And by that, you’re rejecting their goals. If your politics offers to people “Here’s how everyone can make a livable wage”, you’re pushing a much “meeker” goal on them than their ego is shooting for.
If Gary has any shred of charisma, people will respect his opinions and listen to his words. That applies to young individuals too.
When I was around 13, there was this teacher guy that all the kids respected. He was fun and could be scary stern when the situation demanded it. Kids really liked him and listened to him. He was not rich, his teeth was somewhat discolored cause of tobaco use and I would call him a Gary type character, with an unremarkable life style. But he had charisma and a commanding presence.
I suspect that if anyone parrots tates teachings in proximity to that teacher, they woul become the laughing stock of the class for a week. And they would be ashamed of themselves and remember that for the rest of their lives.
He was a good and competent teacher too.
…i know gary, he rules…
So women don’t want men to clean their netherlands. I’ll remember this.
The netherlands are pumped dry anyway…
Hello, Mrs. Shapiro
smelly
I just think it’s a little weird that out of all the terrible things Peterson has said people pick on him for one of the actual good pieces of advice he gave. Like yeah to most of us it’s pretty fucking obvious advice but I’ve heard things that I wish I hadn’t regarding the people whomst it wasn’t obvious to.
at the very start he had genuinely okay advice and it’s such a fucking shame he turned out to be insane, if he had been a normal god damn person he could have done a lot of good.
Judging from what I have read before, some men genuinely think being greasy, sweaty looking and not being clean is attractive. I have read some comments in Lemmy before from men who feels like they found the secret sauce to attracting women: just being hygienic. The latter, I could pass it because they seem like they are neurodivergent. But the former? I don’t even know. I heard it was more like a 90s and 00s trend. Maybe looking like you have a labour intensive job by looking greasy, sweaty and haven’t showered for couple of days will turn on women, which isn’t really the case.
sweaty but clean is what you want, though obviously only in specific circumstances like working and doing sport.
I was naught but a wee lad at the time but I think the trend back then was more about looking dirty rather than being dirty. Like the jeans coming pre-torn with bleach splotches added at the factory.
Hard pass.
Gary❣️
We all need Gary.
I’m pushing 40 and would love a Gary in my life.
More like f-celeb
I wish I had a gary growing up. He seems alright
well, “wash your balls” isn’t a bad advice. and “I’m having a breakdown” is just a state of being
True, but you should wash your balls simply because you should wash your balls, but it will never affirm your existence or masculinity or fix any problems in your life other than having stinky balls.
I love using “fancy” as the way to Say you like someone
Gary’s there when he sets you up and there when you get set down
Gary’s upside-down
Gammon are rarely so wholesome, or is that the joke?
Gary is the dad you wish you had
I will never tell you to wash your balls. Clean balls are beta™ shit
