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Collective Shout claim it’s about harm reduction, but then push an agenda that functionally amounts to moral panic.
Their approach is identical in logic to the “GTA causes school shootings” hysteria: loud, pearl-clutching, and utterly unmoored from data.
If Collective Shout want to argue these games cause harm, then show us the harm. Not correlation. Not outrage. Not hypothetical downstream consequences. Show causation. Peer-reviewed. Reproducible.
Otherwise, they’re just moralizing bullies using the banking system as a cudgel.
On top of this, they might actually be harming their own cause. The catharsis hypothesis poses that sexual fantasy enactment might reduce risk of real world harm.
The logic is simple: suppressing a compulsion doesn’t eliminate it. It just bottles up until it explodes. Redirect it into a safe outlet, and it becomes manageable.
The only reason this research isn’t cited more often is because it’s politically radioactive. Nobody wants to admit that it’s better to let a gooners jerk off, than to escalate under repression.
The burden of proof SHOULD be on Collective Shout to provide a reasonable argument which supports their claim that censorship will reduce real world harm.
Current working theory in psychology: it doesn’t. Emerging theory suggests: they’re shooting themselves (and potential rape victims) in the foot.
The real solution to real-world harm involves empathy, autonomy and education.
We have examples today of the real harm of this, like in Afghanistan. It’s interesting that western societies are overall less religious as ever, yet religion keeps getting shoved down our throats… and winning.
If I’m not mistaken it’s not a religious group doing it because Jesus, it’s a feminist group doing it because they blame porn for the existence of transpeople
Porn and prostitution do have historical correlation with the existence of trans people. Namely that when we’re kept from all other means of making money these industries help us continue to afford food and shelter.
That’s one of the things that pisses me off most about all this. By calling us pornographic they’re calling for us to be forced back into an exploitative relationship with the porn and sex industries.
They are religious nutjobs, they don’t care about causation.
I thought they were a feminist group
I believe they’re a religious group under the guise of feminism and child protection. If you look at their affiliate page, they list quite a few religious groups.
Feminism isn’t a religion?
In what way is Feminism a religion? Do feminists pray to Lilith? Is there a Woman Church? Is International Women’s Day the Christmas of this religion?
Think before you say silly things.
Feminism increasingly displays an in-group out-group dynamic characteristic of religions.
They’re increasingly dogmatic with their teachings, a feminist will spout party lines without thinking about them precisely the way a christian will.
A god hasn’t emerged yet afaik but a canon of saints is emerging, to include Marie Curie and Amelia Earhart.
Unironically yes, who else has any use for International Women’s Day.
They’ve even got unhinged extremists, like these assholes in Australia.
TERFs are as feminist as Nazis are socialist and North Korea is democratic. It’s in the acronym; that’s it.
Sadly from my experiences with feminist groups, TERFs have historically been the norm not the exception.
You should really look into what the Daughters of Bilitis were up to, and books like the The Transsexual Empire. A book I cannot say the full name of for it contains a slur.
Historically feminist groups have attacked transgender women and gay men for “Infringing upon what it means to be a woman.”
Furthermore…
Their decision to target the payment processors - not the developers, or itch.io, or steam, is some of the most cowardly and authoritarian things I’ve ever seen in the gaming space.
It’s economic coercion; a playbook used by religious bigots and authoritarians for decades. Financial censorship by proxy. IMO: they should fuck off.
Even Furthermore…
Wanna censor it? Good fucking idea /s
Shoving that shit into the shadows doesn’t make it go away, it just makes it untraceable, unmoderated, and unaccountable.
If you care even remotely about preventing harm, you don’t force taboo communities off the grid. You keep them where they can be seen, tracked, and contained… preferably behind legal firewalls, age gates, and content filters.
If you push them into the dark web… then congratulations… you’ve just built a Petri dish for escalation, radicalization, and actual predation.
Can we call them ?
Grannies gang who not bang.
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Seems like a good time to get a new CC processor.
Aren’t these the same people with links to Purity Ring ceremonies?
Really goes to show people. It doesn’t matter the religion. They all are bullshit machines for people to act superior than others. Fuck these twat waffles.
I like how the language is ‘claims responsibility.’ You know. Like terrorist groups do after an attack
They have suceeded
The same group who complained Detroit Become Human is bad for glorifying child abuse and women abuse. Yet supported Cuties…
It’s because they want real child abuse. Not that fake stuff
Bro, have you seen e621 lately? That place needs quite a lot of pruning. I don’t know what the admins are doing, it went too far in the other direction!
I’ve never heard of it and I’m scared to google it. What is it?
very similar to rule 34 in terms of content. I haven’t been on it in ages tho so I can’t speak for it as of late. if I had to guess it’s probably had an influx of AI slop that’s causing issues, other online image boards have been suffering from that as well.
r34 for furry porn
Its more perverted to want to control what other people are jacking to than it is to jack it to porn games. Keep your perversions to yourselves weirdos.
This is the exact thing I’ve always thought about homophobes. It’s pretty gay to get obsessed about what other men do with their dicks.
Someone should check this groups computer ls and closets because they are projecting and those fuckers should have no impact on what us Americans or any other country wants to buy. This needs to be reversed Asap.
“Pro life feminist”
A christian conservative group in drag,nothing to see here.
Yep. They drive all the decent people out of anti porn feminist spaces, like the porn is misogyny subreddit. They need to be stopped.
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That’s totally not a thing TERFs would say.
Anyone have a guess as to why these companies don’t just cut off the country being used to spearhead these attempts? Like, half the popular games are blocked already. And setting this precedent will likely lead to further fuckery in the future. Is Australlia really that profitable that it’s worth the current and future hassle?
Here’s something I’ve noticed. Whenever someone describes a group, individual, activity, or anything else with more than 2 negative adjectives in a row, they’re probably saying something deeply unstable. This is one of those times.
I take offense to this generalization. When I call someone an honorless gormless bitch ass motherfucker I’m relieving stress so when fists start flying I ain’t blinded by my own anger, my instability is only mildly correlated to my verbosity.
Let me sit you down when I say this… but if you’re getting into fights even after relieving stress… it either doesn’t work, or you’re behaving in an unstable manner.
Oh no fights are fun. Tis the curse of my kin, seriously damned near every man on the German side of my family treats fights like a fun time waster. Not saying it’s not instability just that my verbosity is perpetual regardless of my mood or actions, well unless I am physically exhausted then I communicate with a handful of words like a caveman.
Also just cause I’m somewhat calm going into a fight doesn’t mean that the person I hurled insults at is.
It’s a Christian fascist org, so there’s a 100% likelihood of mental illness.
Wait is it Christian or is it Feminist? I’m hearing both
Por que no los dos?
It’s very religiously affiliated. Fundie shit.
There’s nothing feminist about them, they coopted the term to try and lend themself legitimacy. They’re feminist in the same way that DPRK is democratic.
I don’t see anything religious on their website. Is this disclosed somewhere im missing?
Go to the affiliate or supporters page and have a deep dive into each of the members and their past associations or activities. It’s not on the front page, but there’s religion written all over it.
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