• dowhat@lemmy.film
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    1 year ago

    Left wingers and calling everyone that slightly disagrees with them “literally hitler” name a better duo.

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      Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.

      You’re just salty because you don’t like when people call you out on it. Just go join their instance and be among your peers and leave everyone else alone.

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        Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.

        Exaclty. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” - Desmond Tutu

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      Ah yes, block entire instances en masse without the hassle of actually making the decision yourself, that would be nice

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        I run my own instance so that i can take a little control over the drivel that scrolls past my eyes. Far right ideologies don’t deserve a platform or an audience.

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          Idk, gonna be a very hot take, but I like my beliefs challenged and believe that everyone deserves a voice

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              So you ban the “everyone deserves a voice” types? Because that’s what I said.

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                  Tf is to sealion?? And I’d like to see the nazis you seem to be unable to not mention in a comment. What I’ve seen is that instances are defederating from exploding-heads. I’ve gone there, seen some edgier memes, some christianity oriented memes, some better memes(those three not being the same memes obv, the Biden ones are pretty unfunny). I’ve seen some honestly sensible policies - instead of banning people for using le bad words, they encourage people who are sensitive to such stuff to block and move on. You seem to call people fucking Nazis for using language that offends you, right?

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            Idk, gonna be a very hot take, but I like my beliefs challenged and believe that everyone deserves a voice

            Nazis had a voice once, and folks listened to them. And we ended up with the Holocaust.

            Might be controversial but I don’t believe that people who want to murder minorities deserve a voice. I feel like that’s a pretty reasonable bar to set lol.

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              Might be controversial but I don’t believe that people who want to murder minorities deserve a voice. I feel like that’s a pretty reasonable bar to set lol.

              It’s not controversial at all. The only people making “controversy” out of it are the ones who are mad they can’t spew hate

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              Sure, but did they actually say they want to murder minorities?? I’m yet to see that

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            The world came together in WWII and decided that Nazis didn’t deserve a place at the table. There’s a difference between “let’s decide whose economic policy is more useful now” and “hey I want everyone to have a nice life and these guys think a large chunk of the world doesn’t deserve to live at all.”

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            The problem is, this isn’t just a challenge to beliefs. This is the internet. The darkest most depraved shit that can exist… does. People forcing children to do things with animals… I’ll stop there…

            The U.S. constitution supports free speech. Even it has limits. You can’t yell fire in a movie theater and not face the consequences of injuries your speech causes.

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              You in fact can yell fire in a theater without being arrested. It depends on the context (and weather or not there where injuries)

              If the play calls for it and an actor says it. Or more simply if the theater is on fire.

              With speech laws it matters more what the context is to the intended audience than what is specifically said.

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            Fascism isn’t an ideology that gets defeated in the marketplace of ideas. It’s core belief is enabling a small minority to violently destroy other lives. It’s not worth your consideration.

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    I hope the nazis do stay out because I was really excited for voat for about a day until it became nazi town

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      You can’t hope they stay out. Admins and moderators have to take active steps to push them out. I want to give some kudos to lemmy.world for getting out in front of this, and I want to name and shame sh.itjust.works for having a vote in their agora community almost a week ago and then proceeding to do nothing

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        Moderating is time consuming, tedious and done by volunteers. I’m not surprised that they get overrun after the latest influx of users.

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          It’s why my primary instance of beehaw elected to just defederate and sort things out later instead of desperately trying to navigate a flood of scumbags. The key will be implementing better tools and getting more people on board for community curation

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      I received a modest amount of downvotes on the big R for saying something similar.

      I also commented (well, asked a rhetorical question but definitely got answers) here a couple of days ago that places that claim to be for free thought and expression tend to be full of either harmful garbage or nonsense conspiracy theories.

      All it’s going to take is one instance that isn’t defederated with a jailbait community or someone with a poorly trained militia planning an act of terrorism to get Lemmy or kbin painted with the “great place for pedos” or “Nazi haven” brush.

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        I think the thing that makes lemmy and kbin difficult concepts for normies will also protect it from blanket association with nazis if one instance is infiltrated. Most people don’t fully understand the distinction between the shared protocol and a site’s domain.

        People might think “lemmy is full of nazis”, but it won’t mean anything to them if I say i’m hanging out on midwest.social. To them it’ll just sound like a regional blog website.

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        There’s a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they’re upset that most people on other servers don’t get to see their hate-speech.

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          I did a quick check of the frontpage of the server and didn’t find anything that extreme. Can you show me some nazi related posts?

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              You’re right. Just call everybody the names you want regardless if they are accurate or not. If it’s fashionable enough it will stick everytime, so who cares right?

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                  Everybody in this post is calling the server nazis.

                  I went there and at least in the frontpage there were only edgy right wing memes and some normal posts. But no white supremacy stuff or something related to that.

                  So I asked if someone could show me the posts that made them call the server nazis. And instead of a reply, I only got downvotes. Because god forbid you ask people why they consider others nazis.

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    As long as I found the Nazi disturbing, the “denialism” in Tianmen square massacre or gulag or Ussr stalin purge or Uyghurs genocide from the far-left ideology is as much disturbing as the same from the far-right one. Just because this instance seems leftish and anti-Nazi, it doesn’t leverage itself to a better position.

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      Yeah extreme ideologies are bad, but instead of talking left vs right, which is pointless as you are trying to comp genocidal maniacs against eachother. They are all totalitarian evil, we put extra labels on so we can pick sides.

      how about we consider why groups want control over your life. The left cares for society and group rights, the right cares for individual rights. I could argue the value of both, but we are overpopulated and the desires of the individual shouldn’t be valued greater than that of a society, our environment, quality of life, right to health and security from violence and economic greed. Im not saying the left is good at what they do but at least they try to manage the mess instead of arrogantly assuming market forces, churches or the metaphysical can or will solve peoples unnecessary suffering.

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        Sorry just because you (or “we”) would love to put labels to pick sides, it doesn’t mean I belong to your described “labels” or “sides” because I treat far left and far right are the same. Maybe some political compasses can help. I don’t take sides. I agreed with the problems you think. Maybe you can try to stop putting labels (or picking sides) so that it might help to provide for some perspective angles. Wish you the best

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      Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren’t (staying federated).

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        I like how someone put it in another thread. From the “defederaters,” The argument most seen is: “if there’s a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it’s a table full of nazis.” The most common counter-argument is “it’s actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi’s in the corner jerking themselves off.” From the “federators,” the most common argument is “defederation defeats decentralization,” and the most common counter to this is simply: “fuck off nazi!”

        I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.

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          What stadiums have these people been to where being a Nazi is okay? Stadium staff curate very specific atmospheres, and being a Nazi is an automatic disqualifier

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            Excellent example of why giant instances are bad ideas. Nazis love forcing you into a “throw the baby out with the bathwater” type choice because it means they can continue their hateful, destructive, genocidal behaviors without consequences. They’re usually not stupid, they know what they’re doing is wrong, they just want to keep getting away with it. So they’ll go nuclear on anyone and everyone in order to maintain their comfy corner of hate.

            Any moderator (or stadium owner) who doesn’t give Nazis jerking off in a corner a lifetime ban is negligent, as you said.

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              Aren’t the instances defederating from exploding heads actually the ones maintaining their comfy corners though

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                  Do you actually have solid grounds to call all the users of an instance nazis? That’s not something to throw around lightly