• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    29 days ago

    Someone’s confused about words. The Soviet Union was a totalitarian, communist dictatorship, where totalitarianism is the most extreme authoritarianism.

    Totalitarianism is a label used by various political scientists to characterize the most tyrannical strain of authoritarian systems; in which the ruling elite, often subservient to a dictator, exert near-total control of the social, political, economic, cultural and religious aspects of society in the territories under its governance.

    That places it on the authoritarian edge & far left of the ideological map.
    political map with axes left–right & libertarian–authoritarian

    It’s not on the left edge, because the hierarchy between political elites & the governed features some economic inequality & tremendous inequality in political power/authority.

    The degree of control in totalitarianism differs from that in ordinary authoritarian regimes. An authoritarian régime is primarily concerned with political power rather than changing the world & human nature: they will grant society a certain degree of liberty as long as that power is uncontested. In contrast, a totalitarian government is more concerned with changing the world & human nature to fulfill an ideology: it seeks to completely control the thoughts & actions of its citizens through such tactics as

    • Political repression: according to their ideology, rights aren’t inherent or fundamental, the state is the source of human rights. Rights (eg, freedom of speech, assembly, & movement) are suppressed. Dissent is punished. Unauthorized political activities aren’t tolerated.
    • State terrorism: secret police, purges, mass executions & surveillance, persecution of dissidents, labor camps.
    • Control of information: full control over mass communication media & the education system to promote the ideology.
    • Economic control.

    Liberal democracies with market economies lie somewhere on the libertarian side of the ideological map. They may be a number of things, however, authoritarian they are not, and definitely not that extreme variety of it.

    So yes, many of us who think human rights are fundamental would much rather deal with some economic inequality in a liberal democracy than the extreme political inequality & authoritarian repression in a totalitarian state. The latter at best trades one kind of inequality for another far worse inequality.

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      28 days ago

      No you’re right, I’ve changed my mind. I’m happy to get fucked over by someone as long as their power comes from being wealthy…

      Tap for spoiler

      /s because i have a feeling you’ll need it.

      The greater evil doesn’t justify the lesser.

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        18 days ago

        Just because you have a weird fetish for

        • unequal dispensation of benefits according to your political loyalty, class, or ethnic origin
        • illegitimate authority sending you to forced labor camps
        • secret police extrajudicially killing your indoctrinated ass
        • purges, mass executions
        • unrestricted power to trample your freedom of movement, assembly, speech

        and the state altogether treating you like its bitch, that doesn’t mean everyone else needs to share in your perversion.

        At least in a liberal democracy, the state is our bitch when we criticize politicians, oust them from office, take abusers to trial. Most of us in liberal democracies aren’t getting fucked over by the wealthy in any palpable way. And when they do fuck us over, we get to challenge them in court with legal equality before the rule of law.

        In contrast, when the state fucks you over, you don’t get to challenge shit.

        So, it’s great you embrace your state-dom fetish, but no one’s asking.

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          18 days ago

          Not sure why you assume I’m pro authoritarian state-socialism nor why you can’t imagine more than two options.