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Look man, making missile killing lasers is just way more interesting than building another pointless SUV to a price target.
Then they become human ablating lasers as the tech keeps shrinking…
Building the SUV would be more ethical though.
Sadly the job security in weapon manufacturer is pretty good. Least it was when I worked in one 15 years back. Pay was shite though.
I don’t think anyone with an engineering degree would believe there’s a hell. Neither should you.
True, these people will not face justice through any natural force of the universe, only by people holding them accountable for the harm they cause.
Leave it to an engineer to think that this meme is literally claiming there’s a hell.
Leave it to whatever your condition is to think that my reply was literally claiming that the meme was literally claiming there’s a hell.
there’s probably an infinite number of paths, and an even greater number of perspectives to be considered across each moment and position along each of them. or absolutely nothing at all. most other possibilities seem so unlikely, they probably aren’t worth considering
Although I can imagine what hell would look like: commuting for 1h to sit in an office that has more people than desks to have a zoom meeting over VPN with flaky wifi and AC that is set to overheat whoever sits under the vent and under heat everyone further.
Oh did I tell you that meeting could have been an email? And the coffee machine broke yesterday. And there’s a bathroom queue.
Well, tomorrow morning, commuting hell will be sitting next to me. I don’t know what those samosas had in them but I sound like a WWII machine gun nest and smell like aisle 3 at the spice store.
Here’s a great idea: let’s not produce any weapons and disarm unilaterally. What could go wrong?
Who is “us”?
The good guys. Define them as you like.
How about we split the difference and only cut two thirds of all military spending? We would still be pouring more money into it than any country on earth.
There will still be people working for arms companies. All of them will deserve hell?
If we cut back that much, then we wouldn’t be able to fuel nearly as much death and destruction around the globe. But, not to worry, I’m sure we could still find enough evil to do to both satisfy your desire for blood and to earn the people responsible a cozy little spot in Hell, yes.
Where did you get my desire for blood from? All I’m saying is that the same arms companies make weapons that fall in Gaza and that protect Europe. You can’t have one but not the other. It’s up to politicians to decide how to use those weapons, not engineers.
It’s up to politicians to decide how to use those weapons, not engineers.
Exactly how far does this extend? Because a lot of people involved in supporting the Nazi war effort said the exact same thing.
If you go around solving every problem you’re asked to with no concern for who’s asking or why, that’s how you wind up developing Zyklon B.
Giving a gun to a murderer is the same as pulling the trigger. Giving artillery to a murderer is too.
Great, so let’s disarm unilaterally. I’m sure Russia and China will do the same.
Such a childish take…
Why should we demand countries that are only spending 1/3 of what we spend disarm? No, let’s focus on having the most militaristic country in the world, the one that spends as much as the next 9 countries combined, on having that country reduce spending and stop trying to dominate the entire world through military force.
And then we can spend some of that money on giving me healthcare! Everybody wins! Well, except for the corporate executives, corrupt politicians, and their chauvanistic bootlickers.
The US could cut its arsenal by 90% and still have nothing to fear from anyone. That shit isn’t for defense it’s to threaten the rest of the world.
I think this is also true for investing in war companies (its the department of war now, so no need to keep up the defense charade), even if it’s just part of an index fund or ETF.
So basically any american with a 401k since that money is highly likely invested on these companies.
Department of War*
DBA Department of War Crimes
This is literally everyone with a 401k.
Sadly, a matching 401k became the standard corporate retirement package over a pension.
However, you do still have a choice of what to invest in, even with a 401k.
Sometimes, sometimes not. Many 401(k)s have restrictions not that “you can’t invest in X”, just “you must choose from the things offered by this account”.
Yes, violence is literally all of capitalism.
I have no ethical qualms with those who make weapons. Horizontal communities need the means to defend themselves against external domination. The dilemma is, under capitalism, dominators employ weapons against those unable to defend themselves thereby realizing the idea of Hell on Earth.
Right, and we live in a capitalist world, so I feel like it shouldn’t be a dilemma. Seems pretty clear cut.
It’s like you’re basing your ethical judgment of it on a world that you admit doesn’t exist
Doing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
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Communists and capitalists both made WMDs and murdered millions for their own gain
“Capitalists bombed Hiroshima”
“Communists bombed Nagasaki”
-this dipshit probably
I don’t know why .ml has usernames. No one can tell any of you apart.
I don’t know why you consider yourself an anarchist instance when I see you quoting Gobbles more than Kropotkin
Who else the fuck pulls Gobbles and Kropotkin out as an insult?
Only tankies.
If I used Spongebob characters do you think it would land better with this audience?
No. That evil has nothing to do with whichever socio-economic system is your particular choice of boogie man.
Socio-economic models have to do with pretty much everything that happens in a society. They define the preferred end goal of most actions. In feudalism it would be to better expand and defend the territory of your liege, for example.
What I meant is that wielding new science and technology against people is in no way unique to capitalism. Every system we’ve ever tried has done that at one point.
No one said it’s unique to that particular system. As I said feudalism would do the same for different reasons
But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have a system that disincentivises harming others and even if it’s implemented it doesn’t mean no one will be harmed.
Traceur201 said that.
He did not say it’s the only system where it happens
It seems he was just saying that in the current socio-economic model for most of the planet the elite of that system (the “capitalists”) push for that behaviour, not that it wouldn’t happen under any other
If I say I get wet when it’s raining outside, I’m not implying I can’t get wet during a sunny day (I might just have bad luck and someone dumps water out of a window)
This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I’m always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.
This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.
Hey! Thanks bro. I’ll be nice and cool by my pond. Im Canadian and I was working for a US defence contractor. I was in their industrial sector and worked in Europe, never touched a defence product and wouldn’t be allowed to. But every time the quarterly numbers came out and number went up. I couldn’t help but feel responsible for steering them profits.
I’m unemployed and the happiest I’ve ever been
Do you ever imagine your pond is colored red, symbolizing the blood of millions of innocent lives taken by your industry?
Do you wonder how many of your industry’s victims dreamed of having a nice, quiet, peaceful life by a pond?
The aerial work platform industry? Yeah I mean people do die working at height, I was there actually to help specifically prevent that, as I was a product safety engineer.
So yeah sometimes I think about the people who went home to their families at the end of the day because of that.
I literally said I wasn’t in the defence division, never touched a defence product, and literally didn’t even work in North America.
Then I told you I quit my job because I couldn’t do it anymore.
And you’re gonna come here and give me a bunch of shit for it?
I don’t even have to guess, you’re pretty obviously a rabid leftist. Which is fine, I am too. But don’t you think it’s funny how I know that just because of how absolutely fucking unhinged your comment was
Was the person you’re responding to sincere? Fuck. I thought it was heavy sarcasm.
Sigh. The Internet has killed satire.
Raytheon would be equally accepted here.
That moment when you quit the arms company and joined the legs company:
I’m stealing this
Engineers are rich, right? So let’s blame the working class in this one particular case. /s
My university is practically owned by weapons manufacturers which sucks. Idk if that’s the norm or not
This is why I focused on graphics hardware for so long… Then some arsehole came up with running AI on GPUs.
There’s still a few of us out here using ROPs and texture units
series of increasingly large dominoes where the smallest is “NVIDIA releases CUDA” and the largest is “the entire global economy has become dependent on running a useless computer program that tricks stupid people into believing it can do anything worthwhile”
Yeah, I got started in silicon thinking cheaper, faster, more power efficient chips would be a net benefit to the world… Then we became a social media surveillance state and AI dogshit is just the icing on the cake.
Now I drink to forget we’re boiling the oceans to ruin society. One day this capitalist hellscape will end.
