It’s more based on game theory. If your vote would decide between 2 candidates, but you vote for a third candidate that had a magnitude less amount of support, you are letting other people decide the election.
That’s why a vote for a third party is a vote for the candidate you don’t want to win. The only way to change this is for a change to how elections happen (ie ranked choice voting).
You guys created that prisoners dilemma for yourselves. Canada doesn’t have ranked voting either for federal elections and we have a party called the NDP which has been slowly creeping up on the conservatives and liberals. Last time I voted I didn’t get the winner I wanted and life went on. People died, babies got born, kids got older, high school classes graduated, and eventually we’ll vote again. What I hate the most about politics is how short term everyone’s plans are. We should be thinking more than 4 years ahead.
You guys created that prisoners dilemma for yourselves.
So sick of hearing this. Who is alive right now who had a hand in creating the current system? Who is commenting on lemmy right now who has any congressional say? Anyone who says this knows it’s bullshit but is trying super hard to sound edgy. Don’t bother.
If you have two parties with deeply rooted power, it’s going to take longer than a year to change that. You might never get the 3rd party winner you want, but your kids could when they’re adults. A lot can change in 10 years when the conditions are set so imagine 100.
Because if everyone who doesn’t like either option actually voted third party, even if that party did not win, the percentage would be big enough to make the Democrats and Republicans shit their pants and scramble to adapt to keep their status quo.
The only vote that is wasted is when you’re not voting on the candidate you want to lead the country.
It’s an interesting statement but you need to work on the “why” before we can call it a hypothesis. Also, I’m gonna need some kind of unit of analysis for “better”.
You are fine with it, though. You’re fine with voting third party, and prefer it over preventing fascism from gaining traction. If you weren’t fine with fascism, then that would supercede your desire to feel morally superior for not actually participating in the system at all.
I am not fine with it just because I refuse to play the silly game of republican vs democrat. You really overestimate your intelligence to think you know me like that.
You have a choice at the polls. You can scream into the void, where nobody hears you and you have no effect on the election’s outcome, or you can grit your teeth and vote for the candidate who isn’t a fascist, and you opt to scream into the void. It’s hard to believe you aren’t fine with fascism when you put your own feeling of moral superiority above the actual real world consequences of allowing a fascist to win.
I mean sure, women are having their rights violated in many states now, and even those who don’t get abortions have to endure an investigation into their womb when they have a miscarriage, but at least you didn’t vote for some democrat in 2016, right?
Doesn’t work with the current US election system. Any third party vote will automatically be a wasted vote.
Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy.
It’s more based on game theory. If your vote would decide between 2 candidates, but you vote for a third candidate that had a magnitude less amount of support, you are letting other people decide the election.
That’s why a vote for a third party is a vote for the candidate you don’t want to win. The only way to change this is for a change to how elections happen (ie ranked choice voting).
You guys created that prisoners dilemma for yourselves. Canada doesn’t have ranked voting either for federal elections and we have a party called the NDP which has been slowly creeping up on the conservatives and liberals. Last time I voted I didn’t get the winner I wanted and life went on. People died, babies got born, kids got older, high school classes graduated, and eventually we’ll vote again. What I hate the most about politics is how short term everyone’s plans are. We should be thinking more than 4 years ahead.
So sick of hearing this. Who is alive right now who had a hand in creating the current system? Who is commenting on lemmy right now who has any congressional say? Anyone who says this knows it’s bullshit but is trying super hard to sound edgy. Don’t bother.
Who was the last NDP prime minister of Canada?
You couldn’t have missed the point any harder. Like zoinks man. They have you guys fogged to death.
I’m Canadian.
What was your point?
If you have two parties with deeply rooted power, it’s going to take longer than a year to change that. You might never get the 3rd party winner you want, but your kids could when they’re adults. A lot can change in 10 years when the conditions are set so imagine 100.
The US and Canada’s political systems are totally different.
US can’t have a minority government like Canada does right now that’s giving the NDP any power.
I think it might be you that is missing the point my friend.
Sounds like something based firmly in reality.
Yeah, it is. And you’re not going to convince enough people to break the prophecy, either
Nope, and stop claiming their votes are wasted.
Because if everyone who doesn’t like either option actually voted third party, even if that party did not win, the percentage would be big enough to make the Democrats and Republicans shit their pants and scramble to adapt to keep their status quo.
The only vote that is wasted is when you’re not voting on the candidate you want to lead the country.
The only wasted vote is that one that isn’t cast.
We can talk about vote effectiveness though, that’s slightly more interesting.
better to waste your vote than to vote for someone you dont like.
It’s an interesting statement but you need to work on the “why” before we can call it a hypothesis. Also, I’m gonna need some kind of unit of analysis for “better”.
Because I either vote 3rd party or I dont vote.
No one says this who isn’t totally fine with far right fascism.
You dont know me or what I’m fine with
You are fine with it, though. You’re fine with voting third party, and prefer it over preventing fascism from gaining traction. If you weren’t fine with fascism, then that would supercede your desire to feel morally superior for not actually participating in the system at all.
Biden is a fascist who is empowering another fascist to commit genocide right now
I am not fine with it just because I refuse to play the silly game of republican vs democrat. You really overestimate your intelligence to think you know me like that.
You have a choice at the polls. You can scream into the void, where nobody hears you and you have no effect on the election’s outcome, or you can grit your teeth and vote for the candidate who isn’t a fascist, and you opt to scream into the void. It’s hard to believe you aren’t fine with fascism when you put your own feeling of moral superiority above the actual real world consequences of allowing a fascist to win.
I mean sure, women are having their rights violated in many states now, and even those who don’t get abortions have to endure an investigation into their womb when they have a miscarriage, but at least you didn’t vote for some democrat in 2016, right?
no