The Grayzone is not reliable reporting. It is no different from the Daily Mail or Breitbart, it simply leans in a different direction.
Reader beware.
Check OPs posting history. Pro-China content, Pro-Russia content, ignores every article critical of Russia/China. If this isn’t a troll account, then OP is the very definition of a useful idiot.
I suppose it would be foolish to assume no propagandists are active in this space.
Absolutely. Harvard estimates that China’s 50 Cent troll army makes 488 million comments per year. And that was their estimate from 2016. Always be skeptical of what you’re read, and if you’re suspicious, check the poster’s comment history.
I actually got a temp ban for calling out a massive Russian troll account on Reddit because, “You have to attack the idea, not the user.”
Ad hominem. Please engage the actual content
There’s no “discussion” to be had with someone arguing in bad faith. The “I’m just asking kweschens” crowd use this method to exhaust any real discussion by putting the pressure on defending against bullshit claims. Bullshit claims shouldn’t even be acknowledged and the people presenting them shouldn’t be allowed to take part in the discussion. Don’t like it? Find a thread that accepts that bullshit. There’s a website I know that will be happy to humor that sort of discussion.
I know. I am not sure why I am trying to have a discussion with someone arguing in bad faith.
Well… then fuck off?
Wow, this article is totally not inflammatory and so incredibly objective and helpful. Not.
That’s not reporting, and it’s all but serious journalism.
Can you share an example of the lack of journalism in this piece? I agree that the media bias of this formerly-unknown-to-me source is bad, but this piece has many, many reliable sources (USA Spending website, Reuters, NYT, BBC, etc.).
And isn’t it generally known that profiteering and graft occurs during armed conflict? Why not expose it?
Edit: for example, spending $US5.5M on six boats, trailers, spare parts and “training” seems high right? How much does a 38’ aluminum boat usually cost? Less than $100k, right? So, was the extra $4.9M for “delivery?” why wouldn’t this information be in the public interest?
It’s a series of figures given without context along with various unfounded opinions mixed in. I can’t take any article seriously when it endorses the stance that Russia is being backed into a corner and faces an existential threat to its survival due to its invasion of Ukraine. It also repeatedly calls this a proxy war, which is simply not true based on, ya know, definitions of words. I also find it disingenuous to say Washington drew Moscow into this “proxy war” when Moscow voluntarily started this invasion against the backdrop of expected world condemnation. If Putin himself didn’t bankroll this piece then he should be retroactively paying the editor and author for the blatant misinformation.
Edit: Nice edit. You think a militarily equipped 38’ full or center console boat costs less than 100k??? You’re off by a factor of 5-10x.
It also repeatedly calls this is a proxy war, which is simply not true based on, ya know, definitions of words.
Here’s a guy who disagrees. But what does he know, he’s just a former CIA Director and Secretary of Defense: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2022-03-17/u-s-is-in-a-proxy-war-with-russia-panetta-video
Obviously doesn’t know definitions but I’m done engaging with such an obvious propagandist, or maybe you are just a fool.
Proxy war: a war instigated by a major power which does not itself become involved.
Instigate: bring about or initiate (an action or event).
Edit:typo
It’s interesting that you just defined both a proxy war and described what’s going on in Ukraine by using the same words.
I wonder if that means the fighting in Ukraine is a… proxy war?
Unless you mean to say that because the US and NATO are providing so much support to. Ukraine in terms of weapons, training, propaganda, strategic assistance, and even combatants, that they are indeed involved, thus making this not a proxy war but a war between NATO and Russia?
