• gastationsushi@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    As a Ukraine supporter since the beginning, it’s Biden and congress who deserve criticism. They should have given Ukraine all the tools to win. They also should have protected Ukrainian airspace and her coast along the Black Sea. With full support, I think Ukraine had good shot of expelling the Russian invaders but that window is over. US leaders are now saying it was about hurting Russia, it wasn’t about Ukraine winning. That tells me meaningful US support is over.

    The West is a failing system unable to reverse it’s inequities. It’s supporters can only attack critics for pointing out the warning signs. What a sad ass meme.

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      9 months ago

      Yes, what a sad meme for criticizing the idea of compromise between genocidaires and their victims. How horrible.

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        9 months ago

        The meme is a strawman and there isn’t a contingent of leftist leaders shaping NATO’s Ukraine policy.

        If you care about Ukranians, why not focus on the actual power dynamics in the region?

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          The meme is a strawman

          How many examples of leftists on the Fediverse saying shit about how Ukraine has to give in to Russia and its Legitimate Concerns™ would it take to convince you otherwise?

          Or are you just arguing in bad faith?

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            ‘’‘How many examples of…’‘’ Bro this is the Internet. You will find examples of everything and anything. So what?

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            There are a lot of dumb takes online, and it’s easy to misunderstood users on social media platforms. So if you are serious, and want to have a good faith conversation with me about geopolitical events, debating about what fediverse randos are or aren’t saying isn’t a good starting place.

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              So the meme isn’t a strawman, you just don’t like discussing what online randos say.

              Forgive me for being wary of letting online randos run amuk and uncontested after the events of [checks notes] 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023.

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                Then why are you bringing that up to me? I wanted Ukraine to win, I wanted Russia expelled!

                The meme is fucking stupid, the US military has been leaking to the press for while now. Ukraine will have to give up territory, aka compromise. And all users like you can do is complain about other users on our social media platform.

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                  The meme is fucking stupid, the US military has been leaking to the press for while now. Ukraine will have to give up territory, aka compromise.

                  “I totally want Ukraine to win, but they have to face facts.” - Very Concerned People™ Since Late January 2022

                  And all users like you can do is complain about other users on our social media platform.

                  … as opposed to… complaining about users complaining about other users?

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                    When I see memes blaming the powerless for a humanitarian disaster, I’m going to speak up.

                    If a rando has a bad take on Ukraine, tell them. But these strawman memes are designed to pull our attention away from what’s actually happening. Are you averse to challenging power, because it feels that way to me.

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      The West is a failing system unable to reverse it’s inequities.

      Yep. Can’t repair her own issues and can’t do the right thing even when it is easy.