Alright I tried doing this on your terms, peace

Okay we’re in a thread talking about how Native Hawaiians feel about the American government. I actually want to know why you are arguing this point and what you feel it accomplishes, in genuine good faith. Like are you Native Hawaiian, do you like in Hawaii, do you just like the idea of being able to visit Hawaii without a passport, or is there some other reason?

For me, I’m arguing this because I believe Indigenous people around the world have a right to self governance and freedom from colonial occupiers. So what’s your reason?

I dunno what to tell you dawg if you can’t understand that a referendum of Hawaiian residents from 1959 doesn’t represent the opinions of Native Hawaiians after 60 years of American control and immigration to the island. If you’re so into facts and stats you should know a representative measure of their opinion could only be done through a survey of Native Hawaiians

Nice job replying on your other account first lol, are you in here upvoting yourself too?

So then your point about

Hawaiians could have protested, revolted, or one of many other options. But they didn’t.

Is false

So to quote you

That’s the thing about facts— your opinions don’t magically make them untrue, regardless of how many folksy sayings or logical fallacies you conjure.

Like the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement which began actively protesting and gained support in the 1960s, pretty soon after the referendum?

I don’t even know how people are supposed to survive in this country anymore