The counterpoints being made in the replies below are very weak

Now see I would argue that “Our entire globally accepted framework of medical ethics doesn’t look kindly on this specific thing” would be a valid point of view.

I am not American, but America is what was discussed. And I think given the history of that country it is valid to be skeptical of any enforced medical program.

infectious disease is a collectivized global issue

I assume you mean that it is a collective, global issue, not that it is collectivised. Because the fact that it is precisely not collectivised is why we have such disparate outcomes.

No one is suggesting that vaccines be banned in countries with bad human rights records, merely that trusting a state with the power to enforce medical treatment is a broad power.

Comparing iodised salt and mandatory medical interventions is absurd.

But no, i am against neither. And I am also not against a mandatory vaccination policy. But I find the glee with which you people will totally disregard any question of morality surrounding it, and the entire field of medical ethics worrying.

Instead of making these vague allusions the darkness of history, why not be more specific?

Because the list of medical interventions done with disregard for patient autonomy can, and do, fill books? The mandatory sterilisation of those deemed unfit parents in Scandivania, the nonconsensual medical procedures routinely performed on those deemed incompetent by virtue of disability all over the world, stipulating receiving social benefits on receiving medical procedures or taking specific medications.

Before that we had the enforced experimental treatment of the mentally ill, the medical experiments performed by duplicitous means on minorities or the poor, hysteria treatments, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Extremely funny way to put it. Most people who suffer from being denied available vaccines are children who’s parents (including the daddy patriarchs) have made the decision on their behalf. Not patients who made such a decision on their own volition.

I actually meant to write paternalistic, but a wire got crossed somewhere. It works either way, since you zeroed in on it meaning the paternal role. The thing is that the doctor taking on a paternal, and usually patriarchal and domineering role, deciding what is right for the patient overriding their decision is in fact a very important critique of the beginnings of modern medicine. That is how you get doctors deciding to do further procedures on people they put in comas without asking, or test medications or procedures on uninformed patients. For more mundane examples, its why people hate their asshole doctor who won’t listen to them. The compliance model of medicine is outdated, it is taught specifically as an example of how you get bad results.

It is not just children who do not get vaccinated. We have people who have grown up unvaccinated who have children who will then also not get vaccinated, and if we make demands of a medical treatment they do not desire they may instead forego medical assistance entirely.

Now if you want to deal with the idea of a medical practitioner giving a willing child a vaccine that the parent does not wish them to get, that is an interesting ethical dilemma.

It is… not? The Helsinki declaration is the basis for medical ethics, medical school curricula are based around it. It is foundational to the concept of bioethics. You cannot open a book on medical ethics without its importance being stated.

We do not base bioethics and medical ethics around assault laws. You are rejecting established norms and frameworks and just inventing your own thing presuming that I am ignorant.

hey fucking do it anyway dawg

No they don’t. Or at least insofar as they do, it is not accomplished the way being talked about. Queermunist is not being antivaxx by pointing out that the American government has a bad history when it comes to being empowered to disregard medical consent, and it is disingenuous to say so.

We are not talking about people being guinea pigs or getting tortured or undergoing other horrors

Yet. But we are talking about disregarding the lessons about the necessity of basic principles of autonomy in favor of “the greater good” and the patriarchalpaternalistic idea that the doctor and medical community knows better than the patient themselves what they should have done to their bodies, the exact same things that motivated the horrors that led to the development of modern medical ethics.

Context matters.

Yes, it does. It really does, and you are not taking it into account.

If we say that the state has a prima facie right to override the consent of the governed when it comes to their health, that is not merely a slippery slope, that is fully regressing and jumping down a hole we just got done climbing out of.
Do you trust the American government to make medical decisions for you? Do you think RFK and Doctor Oz should get a button that says “We can force people to do medical procedures”

There are arguments to be made for and against any kind of compulsory healthcare, but you need to remember what you are proposing.

The lessons learned from involuntary psychiatric treatments and involuntary medical tests cannot be disregarded to own the chuds

Vaccination should be made mandatory. Enough of this fucking “choice” shit. It’s called public health for a reason.

Declaration of Helsinki says no. We’ve got about 70 years of bioethics about why that’s a no go.

Although if we are going to violate the five principles, this might be the least bad way it’s been done.

I don’t know who that is

And for someone so annoyed that people are reaching to be offended, you sure are reaching to be offended

For them it’s the forbidden fruit

Who doesn’t like garlic bread?

No one is mad, I am just accurately pointing out that this is a meme about producing offspring.

Listen, it isn’t a big deal or anything, but this is 1: About producing offspring, and 2: Features a still from what I’m pretty sure is straight porn, or at least meant to be titilating to a straight male audience

There’s a bunch of old jokes about asexuals and garlic bread. Starting with jokes like “Sure you say sex is great, but have you tried garlic bread?” which morphed into the people not being into sex are instead into garlic bread, which became jokes like “Me and garlic bread have asexual tension”. But it’s just memes and it’s pretty old at this point. Like it’s a decade old meme.

I see you’re failing to realise the obvious truth that the meaning of life is garlic bread

Nah. It’s some cishet stuff

Calvinposting is when you get banned for rules that didnt exist until they were enforced.

I thought it was a payment processor thing?

Is there a correlation between incest kinks and loneliness?