When? Im not an Oracle. May take decades. May get worse before it gets better in certain areas. The USSR took a generation to collapse.

Im hoping harris move to the right has manages it. So we can split the dem party finally.

Dick Cheney sweet heart. Dick. But liz is also a shit human. Seems like harris is attracting alot of them with a warm embrace. 🤔

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😂 gotta love people who fail to contextualize math. Let me know you when you determine what helpful means to me, was that even the goal? Kind of an important detail dont you think?

Someday you’ll realize that your failure to understand motivation was exactly one of the points i was making. But alas i fear that day is far off.

Wow i never knew! Thanks! 🤯

Poor feefees. You clearly don’t care about facts and logic.

Because facts and logic would lead you to the realization that only Harris can fix her appeal to voters, and that 3rd party voters dont effect the election outcome for president. If someone is voting 3rd party they have good reasons for it. And no amount of bitching at them will change those reasons.

You not agreeing with those reasons is a you problem not a them problem. If harris is the more popular candidate she’ll win thats how it works. If shes not she wont. these are decisions only harris can make about ber campaign.

Fun fact: many 3rd party voters are also Republicans who wouldn’t have voted for harris anyways. Are they also helping trump?

You seem very confused. My point is people are pissy about the election because they’re absolutely petrified of trump and are acting like 3rd party votes have any impact one way or another on who wins (they dont).

RCV is related because it removes the spoiler effect making these entire conversations disappear. Which i can only count as a good thing because the conversation is stupid and most people are not capable of having a comprehensive understanding of how our election structure interacts with fptp. They see cgp’s video and think they have an understanding but completely ignore the interplay between congress, the president, the electoral college, down ballot effects.

It amuses me how rational you think you are while simultaneously missing the point. The gop will collapse, and then the dems will be the right wing party that they want to be. And the fight will begin anew. Harris shift to the right is a fine demonstration of this.

They were joking. Also CGP grey didnt cover things like how fptp is influenced by there being multiple branches of government, having the electoral college in the mix, etc.

While it’s a great video its overly simplistic to apply to america. While i believe fptp has to go. You absolutely can vote third party safely without risking trump if the conditions are right and they often are in the us there are few battle ground states where it’s higher risk

its a common refrain. I don’t particularly care.

And what makes you conclude that violent opposition from Muslim fanatics prohibits the immigrants from being peaceful?

Who invited them to Palestinian? did they have a statue saying ‘bring us your tired, your weak, your sick?’ why call them violent muslin fanatics and not just Muslim fanatics?

We both know why jerusalum was chosen. because they considered it their holy land. we also both know that immigration is rarely accepted by local populations. just look at our own country (assuming you live in the US).

If you think I care about the palestinians any more than the jews in israel you’re incorrect. I care that American weapons and funds are committing a genocide, and act clearly prohibited by our laws. I care very deeply that both sides stop killing each other. Did you know that the biden admin, and the saudis were close to having an agreement to create a palestinian state and normalize relations with israel and the suadis on oct 6 just prior to the attacks? I wonder why hamas attacked, I wonder why bibi is going on a rampage. both parties that benefit from tense relations.

Can you imagine what might have happened in bibi just took the hit and tried to work it out peacefully? can you imagine if biden put his foot down just once early on and forced them to?

I don’t give a shit who threw the first punch generations ago. what matters is the actions that are being taken today. I fear now we’re another 4 generations away from peace.

do you have a point? what do you think I actually care about? its clearly not trump. yes person w/ the most votes wins.

let me ask you this, which is sadder: the fascist candidate or the one who can’t beat the fascist candidate because shes entirely unappealing to americans?

What do you want out of this conversation? I want you to call your reps and tell them genocide isnt okay. maybe get you to donate your time to getting RCV passed in your state. Ideally anything that gets people to stop bitching about 3rd party voters who most likely are going to vote down ballot for democrats. which if trump wins controlling the senate/house will be critical.

and yes, everyone comment is on the election because thats all I particularly care about atm ;) please support rank choice in your state so this nonsense can stop. I’m tired of watching my country kill people for no good fucking reason. I’m tired of watching people shit on 3rd party voters for having a moral conscience that is clearly superior to the majority of liberals.

I am sorry every argument against 3rd party voters is so easily torn apart by simple addition demonstrating that its harmless. if more people had a spine maybe harris wouldn’t be supporting a genocide. but then again maybe she would. either way hard pass.

What’s trumps excuse?

who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

What’s God’s excuse?

dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.

What’s your excuse?

for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

I’m tired of all this.

so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.

I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.

And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.

ah yes, the classic ‘it was their land originally’ argument. they had to fight a civil war with the local government and won due to support from western powers.

The British government had publicly committed itself to the creation of a Jewish homeland in the 1917 Balfour declaration. Palestinian Arabs opposed this design, asserting their rights over the former Ottoman territories and seeking to prevent Jewish immigration. As a result, Arab–Jewish tensions grew in the succeeding decades of British administration. In late 1947, the United Nations voted for the partition of Mandate Palestine and the creation of a Jewish and an Arab state on its territory; the Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs rejected it. A civil war ensued, won by the Jews.

After pushing out the Ottomans, Palestine came under martial law. The British, French and Arab Occupied Enemy Territory Administration governed the area shortly before the armistice with the Ottomans until the promulgation of the mandate in 1920.

that not nearly the same thing. as ‘peaceful immigration’ as you try to imply. I don’t particularly care one way or the other, religious fanatics are gonna fanatic. do you have a particular point you were trying to make?

beep boop.

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shrug maybe people should get a clue on what third party votes mean and stop posting the same tired, wrong, and pointless ‘theyre helping Y’ nonsense and ill stop treating them all like children.

Edit: sorry you seemed to have gotten two responses meant for other people. Suspect an off by one bug in lemmy reply page

Sorry i shouldn’t have made it so advanced. Ill try to come up with a simpler example in the future!

But maybe sit out of the political bitch fest if you can’t handle how basic arithmetic works eh?

If harris or the dnc want votes, then promote and deliver on policies that people want. If you cant well thats a them problem.

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