Earlier today and yesterday, people in this community were saying that Iran doesn’t have nukes, isn’t making nukes, can’t make nukes, and that republicans are just making it up.

Looks like republican christian nationalists have no problems shooting people then eh?? They don’t care about either side

Well he certainly didn’t have a problem with it. They also found a list with other names too, so it’s good they caught him before he did even more stuff. I thought for sure he’d off himself before he got caught. I’m glad he didn’t thought, because now he’ll spend rest of his life in prison like he deserves.

But violence isn’t the answer. For him or anyone else. And besides his senseless killings, they were also pointless. He didn’t stop politics at all.

So just like anyone would want to do this to republicans, nothing would change, and the politics of republicans won’t change at all. Luigi didn’t change anything at all.

I don’t think violence is the solution to anything in any circumstance, regardless of how many downvotes I get on Lemmy for saying that.

Lemmy, ya can stop with the nasty DM’s to me; I’m not even republican! lol

You’re taking statements like “Violence is sometimes the answer” and twisting that to mean “Violence is [often / always] the answer”

No, I’m stating that my opinion is that it is never the answer. People have have had comments here removed by the mods for “advocating violence.” So obviously some things about violence have been said that others have felt the need to remove.

trying to paint your view as the moral high ground

No, I gave my opinion.

Let me wrap this up, so we can move on. I don’t care if every single Lemmy poster on the planet earth replies that they think violence is the answer or it’s sometimes the answer or it’s rarely the answer, and then downvotes me to oblivion. I don’t think violence is ever the answer.

No matter the hitler, knife, nuke bomb, dinosaur time machine, black hole travels to every bad time period etc scenario. I’m not going to change my mind. You aren’t either. That’s fine. You’re free to your opinion, as I am to mine.

I’m not upset about this conversation at all and I don’t think anyone should be. But it’s getting boring because it’s just going in circles now. It’s Lemmy, it’s not real life.

I’ve made my point very clear several times, so I won’t be answering any more questions or replying to direct replies in this thread any longer. It’s just going in circles now. Plenty of other things I wanna talk about. Good luck on your journey.

That’s well and fine, but if your honest opinion is that violence isn’t justified in even the above scenarios, I think you’re living in a fantasy world of idealism.

I get to live how I want to. You get to live how you want to. Good luck on your journey.

I’ll also point out that this wasn’t a case where you were minding your own business and people started calling you out; you were the first one to reply in this comment chain.

I’ve never inferred anything different. I gave my opinion. People disagree. I’m fine with that. They haven’t changed my mind. I haven’t changed their mind. According to the modlog, some people went a bit too far and had comments removed for advocating violence. That’s how these things go. Lemmy crowdthink has never been subtle about their extremism. Makes no difference in my life whatsoever and doesn’t upset me.

I also take comfort in the fact that most here aren’t going to do anything violent anyway, regardless of what they say they are going to do or what they’d like to see be done.

Opinions have been made known. I’ll stay on my same path. All good.

You live how you choose to, I’ll live the way I choose to. Violence is never the answer. There is no scenario where that will change for me. Not Hitler. Not babies. Not family. etc. And definitely not because of silly downvotes by 26-year old pokemon collecting, gaming-chair warriors on Lemmy.

I gave my opinion. Many disagree. Ok, but I’m still of my same opinion. My life choice. You get to make yours.

Just so you know, I’m not the only pacifist in existence. There are many others like me in the world. Just not on Lemmy! lol

Well, based on your the history of you getting stuff removed, our conversation here is done. I’m now blocking you, so I won’t see your reply. Good luck! Looks like you are gonna need it in your life.

You just had a comment in this thread removed for advocating violence. You trying to get your comments removed for slapfighting too or what? Just move on. wth?! you made your point. I made my point. let it go

disengage

Wait, so I am confused. I said that some people seemed to be for violence, and you said I was wrong. Now you are saying that a lot in this thread disagree with my statement that violence isn’t the answer.

Please disengage from this conversation. You and I are not going to agree on the violence thing. I don’t advocate violence against any politician regardless of party. I hope this shooter gets caught, stands trial, and goes to prison for rest of his life. Good day to you.

What does “violence is not the answer” exactly mean?

That means that I hope no one retaliates with violence, for the awful thing that happened with the democrats shooting. And that I don’t think violence against an politician for anything is called for. What else do you think I would mean?

I don’t see anyone calling for violence as a reaction to this incident, which is what you claimed.

Ok, then I am glad this thread agrees that no one believes that violence is warranted. So people here agree that this no politician should have violence inflicted upon them? Correct? Good, I think that’s a sensible way to approach it. And I’m glad cooler heads are prevailing.

I’m unsure why some people seem to be annoyed that I an calling for non-violence. Especially since everyone agrees. I’m glad no one is calling for violence against politicians.

Ahhh, I guess i just read most of the comments here wrong. My bad.

So you’re saying that you and everyone in this thread agree that violence is not the answer then? No one in this thread advocates violence against the republicans. Correct?

So everyone agrees that violence is no the answer? Good, glad I was so wrong. Because I definitely think violence against any politician is wrong. Glad I am in good company and cooler heads prevail.

I’m sure there are plenty of people who couldn’t be bothered to vote but could definitely be bothered to physically defend themselves and their neighbors.

I disagree. Guess we’ll find out.

Who called for violence as a reaction?

Read the thread. You don’t see anyone in this thread that things violence is warrented?

You’re straw manning. Please don’t.

No, I’m not. I’m advocating non-violence and pointing out how senseless this is. What the shooter did is wrong. And it would be wrong if he shot republicans as well, and i hope no one wants to retaliate with targeting other politicians now.

Two Democratic state Senators were just brutally attacked, and at least one killed. That’s not the time for Democrats to introspect, it’s a time to be outraged.

I agree with outrage. I don’t agree with violence as a reaction though. My point being that the whole narrative of “violence is right to fight back” is the exact same mindset this shooter had. In his mind, he thought violence is right to fight back, and he used it. Do you think this is a good thing?

I’m saying it’s wrong. But hey, you keep advocating for violence. Let me know how what works for you. I’m not going to join in your bloodlust and I don’t care what side you are on. Be sure let us know how your FBI interview goes after they read this thread.

Something has changed. Hanging out on left wing social spaces has put me so far behind the information curve.

I’ve noticed stuff like that too. I think it’s because republicans use to be so quick to judge based on emotion, and not facts. And they got called out for it. So now they are more inclined to be more informed so they don’t look like dumbasses.

Even in this comm. When the iran-israel bombing thing happened I came here expecting a bunch of links and thoughtful comment. Nope. This sub stayed basically quiet while it was happening. Fox news lit up tho. Same with this shooting. Why is it taking so long to be in this sub?

Is this place censoring stuff like that or what? Why isn’t stuff like that reported here anymore?

And as we can see in this thread, Lemmy is starting to do the exact same things that republicans used to be guilty of–acting on emotion rather than facts. I knew as soon as I said violence is never the answer, people were just gonna jump in and say whatabbout hitler bro!

Again, showing their lack of context and facts. I think (hope!) that Lemmy as a whole is smarter than this, but the ones who seem to comment the most aren’t giving me much hope.

Lemmy, you won’t win with violence. I promise. You don’t have the numbers or the skills. You couldn’t even enough people to vote, they aren’t gonna joined you in some armed resistance.

Use your brains, not our fists. You fist are just gonna get you stomped down faster. It’s exactly what the people in power want you to do. They want you to not use your brain, and immediately jump to violence. Downvoting me doesn’t mean I’m wrong, it just means you’re upset. It doesn’t change anything though.

I’m not both sidesing at all. I said violence isn’t the answer. Regardless of who it is. You all are seriously getting upset because I said that violence like this is bad for everyone?! Never change, Lemmy…

Do you believe that eliminating trump would end what’s happening in the US?

EDIT because I misread your comment: No.

K. So if people couldn’t even be bothered to get out of their chairs to vote, do you think they are suddenly gonna jump up and down with excitement and join you in your adventures?

I never said it was a both sides problem. I said that violence isn’t the solution, and that republicans are hoping for a violent uprising. Because they outnumber you and are trained better than you. Even if all the armchair warriors here on Lemmy joined together, you still wouldn’t have the numbers.

Think about it: If people couldn’t even be bothered enough to do something easy like rise up and vote, you think they are suddenly gonna join in on a violent mob uprising against the government?

This violence is the answer mindset is exactly what this shooter had. You happy with that outcome?