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Cake day: April 24th, 2023

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  • Sure. The Google term you’re looking for is called “discourses of delay”.

    Tldr: The propagandists recognize the global consensus, that climate change is real and must be addressed, is too strong to attack directly. Instead, they work to discredit potential solutions and discourage people from acting. The hope is to delay action on climate change until fossil fuel companies run out of oil to sell.

    The four ways corporate propaganda encourages climate delay are by redirecting responsibility (“someone else should act on climate change before or instead of you”), pushing non-transformative solutions (“fossil fuels are part of the solution”), emphasizing the downsides (“requiring electric vehicles will hurt the poor worst”), and promoting doomerism (“climate change is inevitable so we may as well accept it instead of trying to fight it”).

    And here’s the thing. We need both individual and collective action to mitigate climate change.

    Arguing that only individual action can stop climate change is delayist propaganda used to discourage climate action.

    Arguing that only collective action can stop climate change and individual action is useless is also delayist propaganda used to discourage climate action.

    The propaganda takes an extreme position on both sides and encourages people to fight with another instead of unifying and acting - much like how foreign propagandists in the United States take aggressive, controversial positions on the far left and far right to worsen dissent and discourage unity.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2020/08/05/scientists-dissect-the-tactics-of-climate-delayers/

    European scientists last month catalogued what they call the “Four Discourses of Climate Delay”—arguments that facilitate continued inaction.

    1 Redirecting Responsibility

    U.S. politicians blaming India and China, Irish farmers blaming motorists, organizations blaming individuals—these common techniques evade responsibility and delay action.

    “Policy statements can become discourses of delay if they purposefully evade responsibility for mitigating climate change,” the scientists say.

    The scientists label as “individualism” the claim that individuals should take responsibility through personal action. I asked if it weren’t also a discourse of delay when activists insist that individual climate action is pointless, that only systemic action can address the problem.

    That too is a discourse of delay, replied Giulio Mattioli, a professor of transport at Dortmund University. The team considered including it under the label “structuralism,” but decided it’s not common enough to include.

    (Depends on where you are. I’d argue that’s very, very common among high consumption American activists.)

    A fascinating study about how much people have internalized these discourses of delay is here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378024000797#:~:text=Consisting of four overarching narratives,with its own emotional resonance)%2C

























  • We should all be going after corporations and lobbyists, not individuals.

    If we “go after” corporations and lobbyists, the individuals who buy their products will defend them.

    We can’t effectively fight factory farming when meat eating individuals demand politicians protect their hamburgers.

    We can’t effectively fight Big Oil when individual drivers demand politicians give them cheap gas and wider roads.

    We can’t effectively fight plastic production when individual customers demand plastic straws and bags and disposable everything.

    The idea that we can change capitalist society from the top down is a fiction designed to lull the individual consumer into a state of mindless consumption. You can keep driving and eating meat and throwing away bag after bag of plastic, without guilt, because they tell you your individual choices don’t matter. You can continue living your unsustainable lifestyle and buying everything the capitalist machine sells, because you’re voting for the right politicians, and that means you’re doing your part.

    Come on.




  • Sounds like an excuse.

    What I mean is: it sounds like his handlers kept making excuses and you kept accepting them because you wanted to believe them.

    I know, I’m frustrated too. I dismissed the Alex Jones Fox News crowd because they were known liars, they’d lied to us for decades, and this really did seem like standard conservative projection to deflect from their candidates’ obvious mental issues.

    Hate to admit it. But the conservatives were right and we were wrong.


  • Yes. Stealing. From the taxpayers that maintain that forest. From the public who owns the property.

    And from the indigenous people who originally lived there - these people are very clearly not Aboriginal Australians.

    I’ve heard Native American activists argue that white influencer style permaculture is inherently racist when performed on American soil, because it’s modeled on a romanticized ideal of white settler lifeways and has nothing to do with how permaculture was actually practiced in North America before the genocides. I’m not sure how I feel about that argument. But having a family of white Australian permaculturists literally stealing from public land to maintain their settler lifestyle… it’s a little too on the nose.