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Israeli and foreign human rights groups have documented a long history of snipers firing on unarmed Palestinians, including children, in Gaza and the West Bank.
Palestinians in Gaza also report a terrifying new development in the latest Gaza war – armed drones able to hover over streets and pick off individuals. Called quadcopters, some of these drones are used as remote-control snipers that Palestinians say have been used to shoot civilians.
And the IDF rank and file. And a whole lot of Israeli civilians.
Indeed. War gets people killed, indiscriminately. Only madmen too out of touch with reality refuse to consider peace.
Both sides of this conflict have some of the worst of humanity in positions where they get to decide over such things. And as a result the situation has become an absolute meat grinder of the innocent.
I don’t even pretend to know a way to sort it out. Except that not adding more blades to the grinder might be a good start.
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Removed, attacking the user isn’t allowed. Totally OK until the last 3 words.
Are you saying every person on the side being eradicated is a saint? Are you saying all “both sides” statements are inaccurate simply because one side has shown itself to be by far more monstrous?
Does their innocent dead now become unworthy of considering? People have died on both sides. There are innocent people on both sides. There are monstrous people on both sides.
Ignoring any of that because Gaza is being absolutely stomped by Israels more powerful position does a disservice to anyone trying figure out what is actually happening, and what a way to make it stop might look like.
Shit people in charge doesn’t excuse killing kids, but killing kids doesn’t make the shit people cease to exist, either.
The whole thing needs to stop. But let’s not kid ourselves with the idea that that ball in the long is entirely in Israel’s court. It simply isn’t that simple.
Is it step one? Yes. Does it have to be step one, because right now nothing Hamas can do or say will make it stop? Yes.
But is it the last step? Fuck no.
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Again, removed for civility. You make a salient point right up until you attack the other user.
I literally agree with every word you just wrote, “you fucking idiot”.
There’s also a bunch of shit that has to happen for a lasting piece after that, and you are helping no-one by ignoring that and flying off the handle at people who otherwise already side with you.
If you agree, then you don’t need to do this ridiculous moral equivocation bullshit. Worry about the morality of whoever remains when the people murdering civilians en masse have stopped. Going out of your way to point out how the unquestionable victims are “no angels” is what isn’t helping.
I’ll leave out the insult to your intelligence this time, since I guess I’m testing the mods patience.
And seriusly. Is your problem with me actually just that I dared to think about and comment on what there is to occur past Isreal stopping their fucking genocide?
And you think my doing that makes me stupid one?
My problem with you is this shit right here:
This is the moral equivocation that is pissing me off. Shut the fuck up about it! It doesn’t matter!
I really don’t know where you got the idea that I think there is anything excusable about what the Israeli government is doing.
My initial comment is merely an expression that it is no longer surprising. That they are no longer in any way hiding that the goal is absolute atrocity.
My second comment concurs with the unfortunate reality that the leaderships involved have all contributed to things getting worse, and innocents ending up dead, or suffering and then dead. AT NO POINT DID I SUGGEST ANYONE IN GAZA DESERVES WHAT IS HAPPENING.
Even if all the people who wanted to do evil in Gaza, are now dead, at no point did I suggest what has transpired was a remotely acceptable way to achieve that. Or even that killing them was on the table in the first place. That interpretation is entirely yours.
Yet, the reality is that even if no-one in Hamas wanted every Israelite dead before, some of them do now. Do they have good reason for such desires? Oh yeah. And that is gonna be an obstacle along any path you might take to make this stop. It doesn’t matter which ones survive. The nature of what has been done to them means there will be someone out for blood. AND NO, THAT IS NOT A REASON TO KEEP KILLING THEM!
No it isn’t and I wish you would stop insisting that it is or would be. Neither the people of Gaza nor their leaders have the ability to stop this shit; what they feel about Israelis matters not at all. The motherfuckers standing by, watching, supporting this shit are the one’s whose morality you should be calling into question. They are the obstacles standing in the way of justice and peace, ignoring their moral obligation to stop a fucking genocide.