That’s not a bad idea.
Now let’s stop calling them ‘energy’ drinks.
Curious what you’d call them.
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Ah gotcha. Wasn’t sure if it was a pedantic thing or an ideological thing. Totally agree with you that ‘energy’ is a misnomer.
Then what would you call Bang with 0 calories & sugars and 300mg of caffeine? I drink that (half a can each time) when I want to stay up a little later that night, like on weekends and new game releases.
I’d call it a stimulant.
“Can’t believe it’s not energy! drink”
Caffeine soda.
“Chemical Caffeine”?
“Bull Jizz n Juice”?
Uhh…
These would be great names for mixed drinks.
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Idk what y’all think but honestly I’d say these little cans of poison need a warning lable like cigarettes as well
Under 18s?
That’s not a very long wait from birth to Monster. Just 18 seconds?
18s is all this monster needs.
The OP meant “under 18-year-olds”.
Good reddit joke.
You’re so funny.
It costs $0 to not be an asshole
Rare Poland W
Finaly. This should be done in every country, since they are so unhealthy.
So you have a source on why you believe these are unhealthy?
They’re pure sugar water and caffeine. I drink them but do you honestly think there is a chance they are healthy in any possible way?
Is any canned drink “healthy”?
Liquid Death
Ensure/Slim Fast? Probably not a majority of them.
No? I mean it’s a decent source of B vitamins and taurine, but cmon.
But I don’t think chocolate is healthy and I let my kids have chocolate sundaes sometimes too.
I don’t see why teaching my children moderation could ever be seen as bad.
FWIW I don’t normally allow my 8 year old to drink pop (friends birthdays are about it) but my 17 year old having a large Starbucks coffee once or twice a week was not a big deal to me.
That all seems reasonable, but none of this was alluded to in your previous comment and it gave the implication that you were suspicious of energy drinks being labeled “unhealthy.”
Also I think there are benefits with chocolate. It’s the sugary Hersheys type chocolate that is nothing but empty calories.
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Yeah I wouldn’t recommend people drink 3 of these controversial energy drinks per day, both for health and financial reasons.
From your link:
Up to 400 milligrams (mg) of caffeine a day appears to be safe for most healthy adults. That’s roughly the amount of caffeine in four cups of brewed coffee, 10 cans of cola or two “energy shot” drinks.
1/3rd of that consumed by a teenager really doesn’t seem that scary, and the page you linked agrees.
Energy drinks (EDs) are sweetened beverages that contain multiple stimulants such as caffeine, guarana, or taurine.
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The results of this study reveal that the consumption of a single, bodyweight-adjusted ED dosage is linked with a significantly higher median 24-h SBP (+5.26 mmHg) and DBP (+3.45 mmHg), compared to a placebo beverage, in healthy children and adolescents. A meta-analysis by Conen et al. suggests that an increase of 10 mmHg in 24-h SBP is connected with a 27% higher risk for cardiovascular events.38 In addition, a population-based study by Hansen et al. indicates that an increase of 5 mmHg in 24-h DBP is associated with a 27% higher risk for cardiovascular disease.39 Therefore, the ED-induced alterations in the pediatric 24-h blood pressure profile displayed in this study can be considered alarming.
Moreover, chronic ED consumption could result in arterial hypertension and hence increased left ventricular afterload, ultimately leading to left ventricular dysfunction and hypertrophy.16 A previous publication conducted by our department reported a significantly lower cardiac efficiency after acute ED consumption in healthy children and adolescents.16 Furthermore, many EDs contain high amounts of sugar and thus “empty” calories. Chronic ED consumption could therefore lead to the onset of glucose metabolism disorders and aggravate weight gain. As ED consumption is associated with a shorter sleep duration,32 it might additionally increase cardiovascular risk.35 In summary, children and adolescents, particularly those with elevated cardiovascular morbidity (e.g., arterial hypertension, diabetes, excess weight), should be discouraged from consuming EDs. Moreover, minors should be made aware of the potential health risks of excessive ED intake as well as responsible ED consumption behaviors.
The administered ED dosage was bodyweight-adjusted (3 mg caffeine per kilogram of bodyweight) and reflected the maximum daily caffeine intake for healthy children and adolescents as proposed by the EFSA
Yeah I wouldn’t let my kid have that much caffeine for sure.
For my waifish daughter, that’s around 200mg of caffeine which seems really high, outside of what the average person consumes.
By comparison, I’m cool with my kid having about half that, or approximately 1 Monster/Large coffee, once she’s a late teen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Energy#Ingredients caffeine, a lot of it.
That’s 1/3 less caffeine than in a 16oz iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts, and a large is 32oz.
I’m not arguing to give large coffees to 8 year olds but rather that this isn’t as much caffeine as people think it is
One argument I could see is that energy drinks are super sweet and sugary (not to mention cheeper) and on top of that they have bunch of cool flavors. While coffee is more off-putting
coffee is more off-putting
It straight up offends me to concede this point lol
Coffee is ilegal for children in most countries, so thease should be as well, but you have a point.
Where is this true? I’ve never heard of this and Google fed me nothin
I just assumed it is. Maybe it isn’t. Idk sorry.
This was also implemented in Lithuania around maybe 5 years ago. Some kids would still get it by asking their parents or strangers to buy them, but they definitely got more rare, to the point where at least where I am, you’d more often see a teen with a ciggie rather than a teen with an energy drink.
In Latvia this started on 2016, June 1st. Not sure if it ever was a big problem, I think this law came because there was an incident when some kid died.
Similar thing happened in the US with Four Lokos after a bunch of college kids died but we only banned Four Lokos due to the alcohol and caffeine mix.
That’s the most reasonable thing i’ve read today.
Yeah. Energy drinks are fucking scams.
No wonder people who actually need energy don’t use them while those who sit on their ass all day do.
The thing is that they taste good. But there is no justification for their price tag( coca cola and pepsi sodas actually fall in the same bucket,quite good but why would you buy them for that price,especialy since it costs them next to nothing to make ).
As far as I can tell, the difference between the brand colas and the non-brand ones, is that the brand ones don’t destroy my guts. 2 cups of the cheaper colas and I’m shitting liquid for a week.
I take it you’ve never been anywhere near a military base or construction site
The best workers are hydrating with good ol’ water.
The kids are drinking ‘energy’ drinks.
So are they going to ban coffee too for under 18’s as well or pretend that doesn’t contain the same/more caffeine than an energy drink?
If it’s not the caffiene content thats the issue are they going to ban all soft drinks if you are under 18?
I can’t speak much about Europe, but when I was in the beverage industry about 10 years ago, energy drinks often had ADDITIONAL ingredients (supplements) far beyond caffeine.
If you look on the back of those energy drink cans in the US, they don’t say Nutrition Facts, they say Supplement Facts. That is important, it tells you how the item is classified and whether it has to follow FDA rules on Foods or FDA rules on Dietary Supplements (like vitamins do).
And if you look at the list of ingredients in many energy drinks (I have a tub of powdered GFuel before me so I’m refreshing my memory using that–it says “Supplement Facts”), you see a lot of ingredients like L-Tyrosine or L-Citrulline Malate which never appear in anything categorized as a food with the “Nutrition Facts” label on it. These fancy designer ingredients are basically newly-developed things that do not yet have a long-term proven track record of safety when eaten regularly on an everyday basis like a food.
A “food” is expected to be eaten regularly, so the standard of safety is higher for ingredients that go in a “food”. There’s a specific list the FDA has that lists ingredients considered GRAS (generally regarded as safe). New ingredients have to be evaluated by the FDA to determine whether they can be treated as GRAS, or if they have to have additional regulation if a corporation wants to put them in a food, drink, or supplement.
Corporations, unsurprisingly, LOVE to throw all sorts of newly created ingredients in things, for marketing purposes, so they do a lot of shady shit like labeling their product as a dietary supplement–but marketing it as a food so people think it’s a food.
Something classified as a “dietary supplement” (as many energy drinks are) is not meant to be eaten regularly as a food item. It’s meant to be consumed less frequently to SUPPLEMENT other things you consume or put in your body. However, people often treat energy drinks as a “food”, as if they’re the same thing as pop or juice, which could potentially be dangerous to your health because the ingredients in them have not yet proven they have a track record of safety when consumed frequently in food-like amounts. (I’m not really talking about caffeine here, I’m talking about all the OTHER stuff they throw in it.)
Whether a drink is classified as a “supplement” or a “food” is important. It is a big thing, because the regulations for what can be put into something that’s a “supplement” is looser than what can be labeled as a “food”.
I don’t know exactly how Europe draws the lines or what the regulatory landscape is there regarding energy drinks, but it sounds like this ban is possibly because Energy Drinks tend to have ingredients that push the boundary on what is safe eaten in large amounts like a food and what might be more harmful like a drug. Europe is generally stricter than America when it comes to food safety.
The EU is a regulatory hellscape and it’s one of the biggest problems the EU has.
So are they going to ban coffee too
Probably not
You know, that wouldn’t bother me, and I’m a big advocate for personal choice and freedom.
It’s not caffeine, it’s sugar
Okay then why does Coca Cola get a pass or chocolate or any kind of confectionery or soft drink?
Coca cola? probably because they are Coca Cola. Also it’s like 10% sugar. Maybe energy drinks are higher in sugar?
Solid things? That involves some effort - chewing - and you are less likely to eat that much sugar as opposed to chugging it down from energy drinks.
Energy drinks have so much shit in it to help give you energy/keep you awake. Coke and other sodas have sugar and caffeine. And I never said that the others got a pass, they’re both bad for you, just one is way fucking worse.
Probably not a bad idea in light of the Logan Paul situation
I was about to ask if he did something new, but then I realized that it wouldn’t matter. That whole man is a “situation”.
Excuse me, but this is “the situation”.
Oh my god you’re right, I vaguely remember that guy exists.
What did he do this time?
I just looked it up and dear god… Kids will drink it too.
I work in a grocery store in Europe and now that Prime is produced in Poland and it doesnt cost absurdly, I can say that mostly, if not only, kids are the ones drinking it.
Edit: I just got back to work and checked that my country’s biggest chains only sell Prime Hydration, which is caffeine free.
I can definitely see the reason for the ban based on that alone.
Are you fucking kidding me? Christ. “not marketed for people under 18” my ass, they fucking know Logan’s main audience are kids (idk about ksi but I suspect his is similar) and that kids are absolutely gonna drink their fucking caffeine nuke.
That’s as much caffeine as 3 8oz cups of coffee, which doesn’t seem that extreme to me.
Any large iced coffee from Dunkin has more caffeine.
Not extreme for a child?
Define “child.” A 6 year old? I don’t let my 6 year old drink pop at all. A 16 year old? Not a concern for me.
You would let your 16 year old chug 3 cups of coffee in one sitting?
People don’t generally chug an iced coffee. I’d have many, many questions if she did.
Why is it not a concern for you? Where did you get your medical degree from?
Because I can do math? I don’t need a medical degree if I just read studies from people who have medical degrees.
As a layperson, I make decisions based on what scientists tell me, rather than thinking I know more than scientists.
You don’t need a medical degree to have an opinion. Caffeine is a mostly harmless drug.
The answer to this question is always: ‘who cares?’
In this instance, parents and pediatricians ^^’
What, never heard of morbid curiosity?
I hope this would also include products like “5 hour energy”, which are energy drinks, but in a smaller and even easier to shot down package.
Cue the black market for buying energy drinks for minors.
¿Que?
Yeah… no. Energy drinks are already horrendously overpriced.
Only the wealthiest children will be able to buy them at black market prices.
Imagine all the new super strong energy drinks created by a black market demand. This is awesome!
It’s unlikely to cause any kind of large black market. In the UK, energy drinks have been restricted to 16+ for a few years now. People don’t mind off brand vapes or cigarettes (for some reason), but people absolutely care about the brand of energy drink they are buying. Kids especially, I imagine most only buy them to look cool, and if no one knows you are drinking a “cool” energy drink then why bother?
Underage kids will still drink them, they will just pay inflated prices for them from 3rd parties.
People that are old enough to buy them legally will buy up packs of them and then sell them to kids who cannot legally buy them.
Same thing happens here in the US with alcohol and cigs.
No energy drink is as cool as the one with the skulls on the can that glows in the dark and is laced with Chinese research chemicals you can only get one the dark web or from your older brothers friend that believes there’s a Nazi base on the moon.
in Estonia it is 17+ from the last time i heard
I remember being so confused when I was shopping there and I was asked for my ID. I did a double and triple take over what I had purchased to see if I accidentally bought alcohol.
Sweden also has an age limit on energy drinks, though I’m not sure if it’s 18 or something else.
15, not sure if that’s a legal requirement or something stores chose to do
It’s only something stores have chosen to do. There are no laws in place.
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Utter bullshit. The world does need more ways to restrict, exclude, and infantilize young people. This should be subverted by every possible means.
I imagine this cuts off right at the voting age? So it only affects people who never had a say in who passed it and can’t effectively hold them to account for it?
Yeah well, I don’t like energy drinks and neither should anyone else.
Same goes for vaping.
Well my problem with vapes aren’t the vapes itself but the single use one’s. They even have a recharable battery just for it to be used once. It’s extremely wasteful
Pretty sure California banned all vapes, though.
That’s pretty stupid
Gosh, and I hate sunlight, and I think we should ban it. No one should like sunlight! /s
