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      Trump would be a traitor AND the oldest elected president ever.*

      Biden was the oldest president ever elected. Trump is 3 years younger than Biden. If Trump theoretically wins, he’d be the oldest elected president ever beating Biden by a year.

      Thank God he will be in prison. I just hope a judge finally revokes his bond after making jokes about fleeing to Russia to get pegged by Putin.

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        Better, we don’t even have to justify it. Fascists don’t give a shit about words or their meanings, they just use whatever they need to and twist reality to fit later if needed. I hate to stoop, but if it works…

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        Well yeah, they’re both old, but Biden is ridiculously fit for an old guy. He works out for 45 minutes a day, which is a lot more than most Americans.

        Contrast with the orange lard-bucket in a badly-fitting suit, who believes exercise “drains your batteries.”

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      Two out of four is still pretty bad…

      We shouldn’t be satisfied with “better than trump” because that’s roughly 99% of the population.

      Unfortunately we don’t get a choice, and the people not letting us have a choice are too stupid to realize why voter turnout is constantly shit.

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        We shouldn’t be satisfied with “better than trump” because that’s roughly 99% of the population.

        Spend some more time with his voter base and you’ll bump that figure down a bit

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          No shit, that’s what we’re complaining about…

          Our only choice is in the primaries, and that’s not much of a choice after the Dem party used “fuck the voters we’re a private group and can do what we want” as a legal defense a couple years ago when they were accused of bias in the primary.

          It’s an illusion of choice. No matter who gets elected, the rich win and everyone else loses.

          Like if someone gives you the choice of watching your house burn down from across the street or from inside while it burns.

          One choice is obviously better, but that doesn’t mean either is a good result.

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        You’re basically right; They’re actually smart, but not in a nice way and not that smart. First past the post voting essentially guarantees this dynamic; duopoly a la Good Cop Bad Cop.

        They know they can skate by on that, but they’re not afraid enough of the fact that the insurrection has not ended, and will only escalate. Their Bad Cop isn’t a method actor, but an actual bad cop who already has a drop piece with their name on it.

        Fascism has never yet been defeated without an actual fight. This time isn’t different.

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        Unfortunately we don’t get a choice, and the people not letting us have a choice are too stupid to realize why voter turnout is constantly shit.

        Oh, they’re not stupid; it’s easier for them to cover their bets if they limit our choices.

        Once again, George Carlin - The big club (NSFW)

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        I almost feel like a broken record pointing out that we really do need more than two political parties in the US, and that until then we gotta go with the lesser of two evils. For me, that’s Biden.

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        It’s more like an overpriced sandwich prepared by a chef with questionable hygiene, and that poisonous banana split from Hoodlum that Bumpy makes the kid eat. Given the choice, there’s really no choice. You might not like the price of the sandwich or the lack of ingredients, but the other option is actual death.

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    If you don’t vote Trump will likely win because old people do vote and most will vote for Trump. So get out and vote against Trump at least.

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      This old fuck will never vote for that Putin-sucking, diaper-filling-while-denying-it, corrupt asshole of a traitor, but I agree with your message.

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      The only reason why I have a hard time believing that’s true is that he barely won last time and he’s burnt a lot of bridges since then, not to mention killed a lot of his constituency with COVID.

      Not saying you’re wrong I just can’t wrap my brain around it.

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          I’ll repeat it in case anyone has missed it.

          JUST VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION.

          We have to go vote in every, single, election. The right spent the last 70 years cultivating a base full of ignorant bigots so they’d turn out to vote against black people and hippies. They even got hateful fuckers to run for boring things like school boards and city councils. That shit paid dividends for them as we’re all witnessing today with a gerrymandered congress and school boards deciding they’re not going to teach things because the truth hurts their feelings.

          The only way we win long term is to go vote in every single election and drag the country back to the left (the real left, not the current crop of milquetoast corporate-democrats) so we can have a real conversation about things that really impact peoples lives, like ranked choice, wage theft, national healthcare, and UBI.

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        What you’re missing is that many people will have that same attitude, and use it as an excuse not to vote. We aren’t as motivated because he’s not in office, so we need to remember what will happen if he gets back in.

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        And yet, Trump got even more votes the second time around, even after spending a literal year of his presidency golfing and tanking the economy by making COVID a partisan issue.

        Trump represents the strong undercurrent of white grievance mixed with class warfare and religious faux-persecution that forms the basis of American fascism, and it’s gaining traction.

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      While there is an advantage among older Voters to Vote for whomever has an R next to their name, it is no where as pronounced as you are led to believe.

      Age and generation
      The aging U.S. electorate: A majority of Republican voters - and half of Democrats - are 50 and older

      The U.S. electorate is aging: 52% of registered voters are ages 50 and older, up from 41% in 1996. This shift has occurred in both partisan coalitions. More than half of Republican and GOP-leaning voters (56%) are ages 50 and older, up from 39% in 1996. And among Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters, half are 50 and older, up from 41% in 1996.

      Another way to consider the aging of the electorate is to look at median age. The median age among all registered voters increased from 44 in 1996 to 50 in 2019. It rose from 43 to 52 among Republican registered voters and from 45 to 49 among Democratic registered voters.

      https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/06/PP_2020.06.02_party-id_2-01-1.png

      https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/10/26/what-the-2020-electorate-looks-like-by-party-race-and-ethnicity-age-education-and-religion/

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      Aren’t Gen Z boys largely voting R? I don’t think it works quite like you are suggesting. That presumes the party will just die out, but that’s been predicted since like the 1980s and that just hasn’t happened.

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        The best and most accomplished Transportation secretary in U.S. History and you call him incompetent? Interesting take, can you name any former Transportation secretary that was even half as good as Pete?

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          Uh…really? We’ve got planes running into each other while on the runways. I wouldn’t run around excited about his tenure in transportation.

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              It’s kind of his job to put regulations in place to prevent that. Weird it became kind of an epidemic on his watch.

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                In what world is the Minister taking care of low level things like that? That’s like blaming the commander in chief because a squad got deployed to the wrong camp.

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            So your issue with him is ground traffic at airports?

            Good news, they are working to solve that issue where the previous Transportation Secratary ignored the issue.

            “We’re trying to take a bigger look and do some deeper analysis to see what’s going on,” Buttigieg told USA TODAY. “It’s enough that I’m concerned.”

            Buttigieg noted that there have been a variety of causes, such as pilot error and controller training.

            “That suggests that there’s something happening more broadly, perhaps something related to the increase in activity and demand that took place very quickly after the sudden slowdown around COVID.”

            Acting FAA administrator Billy Nolen, however, told reporters following a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on Wednesday that it was not clear if runway incursion incidents were on the rise.

            “It’s a good question,” he said, reports CNN. “We’ll take a look at these near misses and see if there are lessons to be learned.”

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        That’s way too harsh. Pete is an opportunist, and opts for politics over principle to a degree that made me dislike him in the last primary… but he’s not incompetent.

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          Have you seen what he has done with the airlines and train disasters?

          Did you miss all the news going on with airlines/trains?

          He is incompetent and just like any other politician with no real values, just like all the democrats and republicans.

          They give in to the fame and the wealthy class.

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            Sorry, what do you think a transportation secretary does? Do you think he’s an air traffic controller?

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    I wonder if Biden’s age helps him to some extent, since if that’s the only bad thing you can think of while the other guy is “corrupt” that doesn’t seem so bad to me. If he wasn’t old maybe you’d see the “typical politician” criticisms like “phony” or something.

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      Not even a little bit.

      Biden’s age isn’t just a number. The guy really acts very, very old.

      Even when he gave the speech in response to the court striking down student loans, when he was all fired up, and announcing some pretty powerful policies… even then he just seemed so sleepy and low energy.

      Trump, for all his many, many, many, many disqualifying flaws, still seems feisty and energetic in comparison.

      That said, Bernie Sanders is even older, but I’d vote for him even if he were on his deathbed. Bernie Sanders’ corpse would do a better job representing the people than would any Republican, and 90 percent of Democrats.

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        I’m not saying it’s not a bad thing, but it crowds out some other bad thing that people would feel about him instead.

        Sure Trump seems more energetic, he would win in a how-old-do-they-seem competition, but in a who-should-be-president competition I’d rather have someone slow in his competence vs energetic in his corruption.

        Probably the next-worst thing wouldn’t be that Biden’s corrupt but conceivably it could be worse than just being old.

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        What I mainly see is that Biden really acts very, very wise. Nobody else could do nearly as good of a job as Biden on a whole range of issues: Covid, Ukraine, jobs, ending inflation without a recession, student debt relief, etc etc etc. I can remember 4 different Democratic presidents and Biden has done the best job of all of them.

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        I’d love a younger Bernie style guy to run, but he’s one of a kind.

        Many of the younger progressives don’t seem to have the conviction and/or authenticity it seems, though it could also be due to everyone being afraid too to run against an incumbent.

        It’s really depressing to think there’s no good options, and we’re just voting for least awful.

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              His message for decades has been one person can’t save the country, so his goal is motivating the next generation to be active in politics.

              Even when running for president he was very open about how his goal wasn’t getting elected, it’s pulling the entire party left and encouraging progressives to not only run for smaller offices, but to become involved in the system and change it from within.

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      Worst thing about Biden is nothing significant will change. Which pales in comparison to the best thing about every single Republican in the Election. Regardless of the Election always being between a douche and a shit show, at least the douche is trying to clean something.

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    Equating issues originating with Aging and issues originating with Corruption seems deeply bigoted.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Unflattering portraits of Biden and Trump emerge clearly in a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which asked an open-ended question about what comes to mind when people think of them.

    Trump, meanwhile, has been indicted in four cases featuring 91 total criminal counts and elicits words such as “corrupt” and “crooked” (named by 15%), along with “bad” and other generally negative comments (11%).

    Biden’s age was referenced frequently even among Democrats, 28% of whom mention it — a significantly higher percentage than those who point to the presidency or leadership (11%) or strength and capability (11%).

    Rami Marsha, a 58-year-old CEO of a manufacturing company in Agoura Hills, California, is a registered Democrat who voted for Trump in 2016 and for Biden in 2020 — but says he’d likely leave the presidential race portion of his ballot blank if those two square off again in 2024.

    Biden’s reelection campaign said the president’s age is not a top motivator for voters, especially compared to the administration’s policy accomplishments or key issues like abortion.

    Larry Haith, a 73-year-old Idahoan and retired president and general manager of an auto parts firm, is a Republican who described Biden for the poll as an “idiot” and called Trump “arrogant.” He said he doesn’t plan on voting for either next year.


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    well better to go with the young guy trump. sic. no serious whats with describing biden as old and trump as corrupt. Sure trump is corrupt but he is only like 2 and change years younger than biden,