Hitler survived at least 42 assassination attempts according to Wikipedia. Just saying.
At the end, he couldn’t survive his own.
What a hero he was, fukken killed Hitler the mad lad!
Tbf people don’t usually go out of their way to shoot nice people.
You’ve not met m(any) US cops, I take it?
I’m still alive.
Fair point.
Yeah they do. MLK, Kennedy, Lincoln, Reagan… MOST of the time the person is nice.
One of those things is not like the other… 🤔
A reverend, a catholic, a bearded man, and a demon
He was still “nice” as far as presidents go. Even Lincoln himself was a bit of an overreacher.
Like, polite? Maybe. He was certainly not kind.
What did he do?
Ignored HIV, gutted school funding, illegally sold arms to Iran to fund the Sandinistas, fired 11k air traffic controllers, started the culture wars…
There’s much more, but that’s a start
So… all those kids in all those schools?
You’re going to make me debate what “usual” is for shootings in the US. That’s a grim one.
About 14k homicides in the US total per year (using 2019 numbers).
About 3300 of these were done with a firearm of unknown type, about 360 with a rifle, about 200 with a shotgun and about 6400 with a handgun.
If we assume the unknown firearms are split the same way as the rifle/handgun split of known firearm homicides then it’s about 535 with rifles and about 9525 with handguns. Realistically, it’s probably tilted farther towards handguns, just because they are easier to dispose of and harder to recover, but it’s close enough. Not including shotguns in that calculation because while there are lots of cases where a given round could come from a handgun or a rifle, there aren’t many cases where the same round could have come from one of those or a shotgun.
To continue the breakdown beyond just shootings, about 1500 homicides per year are from knives, about 1600 from other weapons (blunt objects, explosives, poisons, etc) and about 600 done unarmed.
Usual for a shooting in the US is someone engaging in another sort of crime shooting someone else, often someone engaging in a related criminal activity with a handgun. Think gang violence, drug deals gone wrong, that sort of thing. There’s a reason gun crime rates are heavily concentrated in cities, and in specific neighborhoods within those cities and it’s not because gun control or gun culture is radically different a few blocks away.
Sadly, it’s usual.
Yeah, like MLK! Wait…I think your premise may be flawed.
Well considering how many regular people get shot, yes…there definitely are flaws, however I did use conditional language “usually”, so you’d have to get in the weeds to judge who gets deliberately shot and if they were nice or not.
Tbf, I still call it into question. Technically “usually” people shoot themselves, 20,000 more times yearly than someone shoots another person. All of my friends who have killed themselves were actually some of the best people, of course this empirical evidence doesn’t mean that everyone who shoots themselves is well liked, but in my case it’s never the ones you’d wish would (figuratively, it’d be cool if nobody did it) it’s always the ones that make you sad.
Furthermore by a large margin most of our homicides are gang/drug related, and while the Crips may hate the Bloods, they do like the other crips and their family members like them too and such, so it isn’t as if they’re universally hated, but more like most people they’re hated by some and loved by others, “controversial” if you will. Sorta like MLK, or Trump. Some love 'em, some hate 'em.
Furtherevenmore? Furthermost? The next largest category can be described as “crimes of passion” which is usually a spouse or business partner. Typically the “liked” one is the victim (perhaps unsurprisingly, those that would stoop to spousal killing aren’t so likeable.)
And at some level in there depending on where you source your stats is self defense, which involves necessity rather than likability by definition.
My premise was that someone goes out of their way to shoot someone else, so suicide is right out based on that criteria.
The rest I’m not really thinking is worth our time to quibble over semantics and we probably don’t want to get in the weeds about statistics.
For instance the gang members - yes, you need to “go out of your way” to hop in a car and go do a drive-by shooting. But now we get to the people being shot at. Do you consider the gang members being shot at “bad people”? That right there is a deep dive into social stigma, poverty, prejudice, and a whole discussion about personal views and the lives of the people being shot at. Then what if the shooter hits an innocent bystander? Some are perfectly willing to suggest that anyone hanging out with gang members, even if not a member themselves, is by default not a good person. Guilty by association, as it were? Maybe the gang banger was well liked in the neighborhood…still a bad guy?
How about the crime of passion…if there’s a gun in the house and there has been domestic violence in the past, but this time someone uses the gun and shoots the other, is that still “going out of the way” to shoot them? What do we know about whether they’re good people or not?
Self defense isn’t going you of your way to shoot someone at all. That’s usually to stop an immediate threat.
I’d argue shooting oneself is going out of your way to shoot someone, that someone just happens to be themselves.
As to the aforementioned gang members, I’d argue that being a “good” or “bad” person and being liked don’t always line up, as I referenced with the whole “crips have people who love them too” bit. Since being liked (or rather being disliked) is the prerequisite put forth, I’d argue that frankly most people fit into this category, regardless of gang affiliation. For instance, most people at work like me, but there are two or three that don’t, yet the fact that 22/25 people like me means nothing if one of the 3/25 were to shoot me about it, but if one did does that mean I’m unlikable? No, it would edge toward meaning I’m “controversial,” as in there is some controversy over the likability of me: Not all agree one way or the other.
As to the domestic violence, I’d say unequivocally that “yes, that is going out of one’s way,” frankly making the conscious decision on whether another human sees tomorrow is always “out of your way” short of self defense (during which the attacker could be said to put himself in your way). I’d also bet the one not beating the spouse is the one with a higher likability factor, but ya never know maybe the broad deserved it (kidding!) If the one being beat is the shooter it becomes self defense rather than a crime of passion, so that’s out.
In any case, it seems frankly that the likability of an individual and being shot is correlation at most, not causation, and truthfully it’s more coincidence than even correlation, being that almost every human has some people who like them and some who hate them, almost nobody is truly universally liked nor disliked.
Getting shot by your own voter actually makes you even weaker than before
He doesn’t show anyone any empathy so no point in me doing so.
IDK. If you actually hit, he’ll never do anything bad anymore for the rest of his life.
His cronies might though. What if this dumbass thought he would actually make him a martyr to make his cause stronger. Who am I kidding. They aren’t that smart.
It changes the ass to hole ratio though.
i hope he thinks about how he was 2 inches away from death every time he’s out in public pushing for violence
He’s too narcissistic for that.
Chances are he’ll believe what his Jesus followers are saying and think that Jesus DID actually save him because he’s the chosen one
That would require him to believe in Jesus.
No, people with NPD are constantly haunted by their mistakes, failures, and anxieties. Trump is an asshole because he’s neurotypical.
Neurotypical? He’s a narcissist at best, and a full-blown sociopath at worst.
I don’t think you know anything about psychiatry, seeing as you’re using the name of a fake disorder. Sociopathy isn’t really in the DSM, it’s not a mental disorder. It’s fake. You’ve been hoodwinked. It’s just Greek for socially ill person. You know, like autism. So forgive me for thinking you don’t know what you’re talking about when you say Trump has autism.
Why don’t you whip out the ol DSM and read about antisocial personality disorder? Call it psychopathy, or sociopathy, or APD. A rose by any other name.
Call it psychopathy, or sociopathy
I’m not going to do that, because I don’t call disabilities by slurs. I typically use the actual names of the disabilities instead.
Wow, you’re so clever you couldn’t even go to wiki for one second. Sociopathy is, in fact, real and refers to Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Ohhhhhhh. Okay, I understand now. You were using a controversial slur to refer to a disorder whose actual name you full well know. Sorry, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and starting from the assumption you didn’t hate disabled people. I understand now.
You were using a controversial slur to refer to a disorder whose actual name you full well know.
Don’t worry, much like sociopathy the current term will eventually also become a slur and need to be renamed again. This is the way of such things - so long as the thing is seen as something negative, the term for being/having that thing will take on a negative connotation over time. Several rounds of this is why the language has become so wordy and bloodless - if it’s enough of a pain to repeat in full every time it takes longer for it to become a slur.
if i got almost shot in the head i’d probably quit and do something else instead 🤔
Can confirm, you don’t even need to be shot in the head. It can be in the thigh.
Historically, more often than not, when a narcissistic megalomaniac is victim of a close call of targeted violence against them, rather than them becoming more empathetic with the sadly large swathe of humanity that also often faces targeted violence, they just double down on their own paranoia.
Donald Trump is a pedophile, it doesn’t matter how many blood capsules he pops to pretend a BB Gun hit him.
Apparently, he was too busy playing golf to reach out to any of the other folks who got shot.
saw on r/conservatism, “Trump will undoubtedly pay for that person’s funural.” Ha, yeah fucking right!?
The greatest builder in the world still hasn’t erected any structure for his wife’s grave.
The funny thing is that none of her children [Ivanka, Don Jr, and little Eric] could be bothered to do something. All have resources of their own.
little Eric
lol
Hey now, my governor said Eric Trump changed a tire like a big boy!
Have I mentioned that I hate my governor, and also that I was not surprised at all that he had his bulldog with him for the RNC speech? Still can’t believe he got it added to a fucking historical mural.
she knows what she signed up for
The funny thing is that back in the 1980s she was the star of the show and Donnie was the stooge who carried her bag. She was a world class skier and knew how to work a room.
She has a brief cameo in ‘The First Wives’ Club’ where she tells the stars to get all they can out of their husbands.
Thoughts and Prayers everyone, Thoughts and Prayers
It’s likely to have the opposite effect in this case.
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Only if you manage to shoot his ass off him.
Then we’d undeniably have a less of an asshole trump.
Of course Morpheus says that as his shades reflect Neo being held at gunpoint.
But that’s in the Matrix
We’re all in the Matrix.
