Meanwhile, 44 percent backed the American tradition of competing branches of government as a model, if sometimes “frustrating,” system.
Why would people want to live under an authoritarian’s thumb? It’s rooted, experts say, in a psychological need for security—real or perceived—and a desire for conformity, a goal that becomes even more acute as the country undergoes dramatic demographic and social changes. People also like to obey a strong leader who will protect the group—especially if it is the “right” group whose interests will be protected. Recall the Trump supporter who, during the 2019 government shutdown, complained, “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
“No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a
Hero[Dictator]”Pardot Kynes
Weirdly, the percentage who agree with that statement, by political affiliation, are: Left - 25% Right - 29% Center - 37%?!
Thank God we’re not a democracy.
- Republicans
32 percent of America has never been in the military, or were in the old boys club when they served.
You do not want the military running the show.
One of my gramps fled fascism in Italy. Always warned me that a lot of people want someone to tell them what to do, primed to receive commands. That side is filled with rebels, flexible and rational people that operate in shades of grey.
On the other side, I have a cousin who had a strict dad, retired military guy, good soldier, no doubt. Cousin loves Trump. That side is more blue collar, less education, less financial means. Cousin never had to deal with emotions, couldn’t have done so in a safe environment with her dad around anyway, yelling at her all the time, telling her exactly what to do, why to do it, how to do it.
She would get harshly punished for very specific things and her folks would make sure she understood the just desert of it clear. She’s never led anything of her own, never started anything for herself. She’s very attached to the idea that people get what they deserve and has a hard time related to anyone different from her, which are defense mechanisms and marks of her emotional immaturity. Like, she cannot fathom that there are innocent people in prison who have pleased guilty. Her ability to think for herself is as stunted as her compassion for others. She needed serious education and travel, exposure to other cultures and ideas, she got a certificate, a job, and an apartment instead. Super attached to her personal property. Cannot fathom the idea of not being angry if for example something was stolen from her that she was fully insured for. Obviously she has a gun and feels like it keeps her safe.
She has authoritarian sympathy engrained in her. It is her attachment style. Loud shouted orders are her love language.
Dumb as a brick.
Well then we know that 32% of people in America are not fond of America. I’m fine with the whole Trump bullshit of “kicking them out”, but let’s make it about these assholes and not the people who are here to have a functioning democracy.
Hmm I wonder what 30% that is…
I also wonder if there is any overlap between that 30% and people that have a bones for “freedom” and “liberty”
If you check the poll it’s not what you’d expect. The self-identified left had 25% support. The self-identified right had 29% support. The self-identified center had 37 PERCENT support. There’s apparently a thirst for some strong authoritarian radical centrism.
I struggle to trust numbers nowadays. After being on Reddit for 11 years and now here on Lemmy, and around the Internet my entire life, lemme tell you about why people would self-identify as something else for a moment:
Because they are anonymous.
There are a huge amount of people who are on the Right on Lemmy trying to pass off as Blue, or blue-leaning.
As someone who is quite left, I find myself less radically left than many on Lemmy. My beliefs basically fall exactly with Bernie Sanders, which is more left than probably 95% of the entire country, but that isn’t left enough for some people.
If you ask people about policies and not self-identification, Bernie’s ideas have massive support from all Americans. It’s political discourse that has swung right, not the views of typical Americans.
Even without active deception there’s plenty of self-deception. People like the aesthetic of “I’m my own person, not beholden to left or right” while voting left or right every election.
That would be the ‘benevolent dictator’ crowd. Strong amongst the military and business/tech investor class.
The stupid minority. Only stupid people who don’t bother learning about the world would think this. Minus the very few who just wanna use the situation to get rich.
The people who think this have never had to truly struggle in their entire fucking lives. Fat little American piggies who think that everything will stay the same in every facet of life under their military dictatorship, as if nothing bad could ever happen to them and bad things will only happen to the people they hate. They take for granted all of the freedoms and luxuries they enjoy daily and never once consider how quickly those would vanish for them too.
“He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to hurt.”
And this right here is exactly why leftist should never give up their guns.
Doesn’t look like keeping them is doing much either.
The ballot box still works AFAIK (as shit as First Past The Post voting is)
Are you an accelerationist?
Are you an accelerationist?
No, Canadian.
It sounds like the person you’re responding to is saying the accelerated option isn’t being effective?
Yes it was, but honestly if I make a comment that a pro-gun American can see as negative against, I am aware I will be downvoted heavily.
Lol that’s fair. The States IS a country that considers gun ownership a HUMAN RIGHT and doesnt understand how insane lumping gun ownership with being able to access drinkable water is
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
- Karl Marx
If you go far enough left, you get your guns back!
That’s not far left, that’s just left of center. Don’t buy the American bullshit that socialism is an extreme, it honestly isn’t.
No shit, Democrats are right leaning moderates these days. Too bad a third party has no chance at getting anywhere because I’d be all for a socialist party.
An overwhelming majority of California and New York leftists disagree with you and have neutered themselves in order to prevent black people from organizing during the segregation era protests and now the reason is for children’s safety from school shooters.
What do you say to those people?
Probably the same old electoral reform gobbledegok.
First Past The Post voting yadayadayada Ranked choice voting herpdederpdeboo state level reform possible yabbadabbadoo
Then have them acuse me of being a secret Republican Russian because I didn’t suck Joe bidens dick with a big enough smile.
I have a hard time believing the questions or something is not skewed to get such a high result.
32 percent of Americans believe a military regime or authoritarian leader (described as a strong leader who can make decisions without interference from parliament or the courts) would be a good way of governing the country.
They didn’t agree with a statement that explicitly endorsed authoritarianism or military dictatorship. They agreed with a statement that is being interpreted as the equivalent of supporting those things.
And the question itself is very open to interpretation. Does “strong” mean decisive and principled or cruel and dictatorial? Does interference refer to the normal balance of power between the three branches of government, or is it referring to extreme dysfunction, or even unconstitutional actions taken by courts and/or congress that violates constitutional principles.
You really can’t imagine that 32% of Americans are idiots? If anything, I’m relieved the number isn’t higher.
2/3rds of my neighbors aren’t. more like 10%
32% of polled Americans who will admit it out loud, mind you. That number is absolutely higher. Pew Research found 43% of American adults trust Fox News and they trounce other cable news channels by a long shot. We ain’t never gonna make it.
That’s what the Germans though in 1932, too. Maybe those idiots now should have a look into some history books about that era to see what happened next.
Sorry, those books are banned because it hurt some fascist fee fees…
I’m not sure they can read.
Maybe have 20th century european history as a YouTube short would work? If it’s kept under 20 or 25 seconds?
How charitable! I know they can’t.
Insanity. I have seen these people in operation my whole life, and I still don’t understand this type of thinking.
Sigh.
I read some research somewhere that found that about a third of the people in any given country are authoritarian shitheads (paraphrasing). The problem is that the unique structure of the US system of government gives said shitheads outsized power and representation relative to their numbers.
32% is all you need. Thanks to the perpetual minority rule established by electoral college system
Probably should have rewrote the constitution every 20 years like Thomas Jefferson said we should.
