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    There’s a point where everything will negatively affect a person. First, I was curious why salt was kept apart from other preservatives, second, I wanted to know why both of them were demonized. Most of the things you call against salt are the same concerns as the rest, and from your article, if you follow that cancer link, it just talks about neat consumption and cancer, not deli meat specifically

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/

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      Okay, well if you want to pretend that processed food is just as healthy as fresh food, I’m not going to convince you otherwise.

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        If you’d like me to make the argument though, ground meal of some sort is usually healthier than a blighted potato. So processed can be better than natural. Pasteurized milk is often healthier than non.

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          Why are you talking about things that aren’t meat and aren’t processed in the way we’re talking about meat being processed? We are specifically discussing meat. Not meal, potatoes or milk.

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            Okay, well if you want to pretend that processed food is just as healthy as fresh food, I’m not going to convince you otherwise.

            You said food. I responded with food.

            As far as meat, you said deli meat due to how processed it was with the salts. The source you quoted said meat, full stop. So deli meat is the same as normal meat according to your source. Level of processing doesn’t matter

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              You do know that the source didn’t compare the amount of salt in fresh vs. processed meat, right? Believe it or not, it’s far, far higher in the latter.

              But do show me the data showing that 56g of fresh turkey has 500 mg of salt.

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                You said “thing is bad”.

                I said “why is it bad and why differentiate between the same things”?

                You said “cause this study”.

                Study said “bigger thing is bad , not because of what flying squid says”.

                Flying squid thinks this proves his point and is happy arguing details while his original source doesn’t back up his claim

                This is where we are

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                  I showed you that processed turkey deli meat has 500 mg of salt per serving. Is that more or less than fresh turkey meat? Is more salt more or less unhealthy for you?

                  Because I think you know the answers to those questions.

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                    Healthy vs unhealthy, I’m not a doctor. Salt certainly isn’t a carcinogen. Your source and original view was using that as a buzz word. Their sources for making the claim don’t say that though.

                    Re: 2 comments, you wouldn’t respond to edits either, so I thought separate threads of separate thoughs would be easier for you. The second comments have arguably stronger and better views anyway since they address the foundation of your arguments instead of how you are trying to shift things. Watching how you respond, or which you respond to is telling

                    EDIT IN CASE YOU MISS IT: for example, I mentioned potatoes. Instead of addressing anything I said, you called me out about talking about non meat, while you had said food. Was this a misunderstanding on my part? Your part?

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                Hell, on top of that, your argument of carcinogens is moot with the salts, since according to YOUR OWN SOURCE, meat itself is the carcinogen. Not the preservation of the meat.

                Fuck dude, I’m half cocked today and following logic better than you.

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                  I am not going to respond to two different comments you make to me per reply and if you keep doing it, I will just stop responding entirely.