From what I saw Cosmic has a lot of potential and looks pretty sleek too, right now I’m using KDE it’s a great desktop, but now that I have a second monitor it randomly crashes on me, I think I’ll switch to Cosmic when it reaches beta.
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It sounds great. Cosmic is off to a great start and I can’t wait to see what they come up with next.
I’m excited too and also use KDE. I’m not certain I will ever switch, but like other commenters. I am concerned with how long it may take before I consider it to be usable. Not to mention there are certain really cool features that KDE has that I would like to replicate over there before I even think of switching.
I just want pop_os 24.04. I’m annoyed they’re delaying the entire release so they can add cosmic to it.
Maybe I don’t keep my finger on the pulse of this stuff the way I should, but what’s the main benefit of 24.04? Pop updates the kernel and packages already. The main benefit we would get is newer gnome which… obviously isnt a development priority for them since it’s going away.
What are we missing out on?
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And here I thought you were talking about Cosmic Encounter…
I’ve been running it on my Asahi linux for a bit over a week, and while it comes off feeling a bit bare bones, I’ve had no stability issues despite it being an alpha, in fact all issues I’ve had are minor, in fact the biggest issues come from Asahi Linux, not Cosmic.
I’ve been playing around with asahi on a Mac mini with an M2. Enjoy it but so many limitations currently. I use MacOS about as much on that PC I just can’t stand the close butting being in the top left. Lmao
I can’t wait to see what they can do, considering what System76 did with just GNOME.
I don’t think anything’s going to pry me from XFCE, though, except maybe if 4.20 hasn’t made much progress on Wayland.
whats so good about XFCE
It’s very bread and butter, but also very customizable. It’s also decently lightweight. Not the lightest, but a good compromise between both.
Some distros don’t have the best default config, though.
Yes, and the desktop is delightfully simple. Makes older hardware feel new but still looks good enough on modern hardware.
If they support wayland I’m in
It’s new, so there’s no point of supporting X11. It’s Wayland only.
I meant I’m waiting for XFCE to support Wayland haha
Oh I see, fair enough
I literally had a dream about switching to it last night. But it was different, as it had the things I’m currently missing, already implemented. But then again, in my dream, It was the summer of next year (2025), it’s just that they went on a faster pace than expected and released Beta 1 instead of the Alpha 2, and that actually had Static workspaces (which is unfortunately, not a planned feature rn), as well as Sloppy Focus, which IS a planned feature and coming out with Alpha 2, the PR is even ready to merge! Ultimately, only time will tell.
I feel like I am the only person not super-jazzed about Cosmic.
If people are excited or want to use it, fine. But I don’t know what it could possibly add to the mix besides offering mote DE choice, and Linux already has a lot of that.
It’s new and different. It’s also not really usable atm so there’s plenty of hype and little disillusionment yet.
Give it a couple years and everyone will probably have forgotten about it.I like it as an alternative to GNOME that’s not quite so GNOME-ish, if that makes sense. I do like GNOME but I find it a bit idiosyncratic sometimes, IE they seem very “my way or the highway” about some design things, and it often feels to me like you have to hunt down and keep updating endless plugins to do basic things that feel like they should be included.
If they can land in a spot where COSMIC looks as nice as GNOME but is also a bit less of a hassle to get set up the way you want it, I feel like they could occupy a nice middle-ground between GNOME and KDE possibly.
I’m not really invested in Cosmic, I’m happy with Hyprland and will continue to use it.
I do think they did a REALLY nice job with the tiling. I don’t think you can find a more intuitive and user friendly tiling window manager. Something that’s not absolute barebones out of box and can be configured entirely with a GUI. In that regard it does bring something to the mix and is very very welcome.
I wish KDE had something like that! AFAIK I think most tiling things are still broken and haven’t quite caught up to Plasma 6 yet.
KDE has “”“tiling”“”. They called it tiling but it’s just god awful. If KDE had real automatic tiling, I would probably have sticked with it, to be honest.
If you already use pop with the cosmic plugin, it’s going to be a better version of that. If you use something else then I’m not sure why youd care tbh.
For me, I like the idea of a tiling window manager with batteries included. Been using tiling window mangers for ages now and cannot go back to floating window management. But all the tiling window managers are bare bones and configure everything you want from the ground up. Which I am not a huge fan of these days. I want something to work out the box with first party full tiling support (not just dragging windows to the side) but without needing 100s of lines of config to get a half decent setup.
Tried it, my device crashes every 2 minutes in. Not worth the effort for now.
Well, since Cosmic isn’t going to be ready for a couple years yet, let’s try to fix your multimonitor issue. Are you running on Wayland and what’s your GPU?
Wayland, Lenovo idepad 1 2018 (Ryzen 3) second monitor is Arzopa A1 GAMUT SLIM
I’m guessing that’s the onboard AMD graphics then?
If you do an
lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display'what does it return? Are you able to find anything in dmsg (journalctl -xb-1for previous boot log) that would give an error message to investigate?here is what I got
04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mendocino (rev c2) Subsystem: Lenovo Device 380e Kernel driver in use: amdgpu Kernel modules: amdgpuI don’t think I understand what I’m reading but here is all the error I could find: https://rentry.org/gni28ogyMight have to get the full log, and it should be from immediately after one of those unexpected reboots. The flag
b-1indicates journalctl to export the logs from the previous boot (-1) instead of the current log. So if you dosudo journalctl -xb-1 > log.txtafter one of these reboots and paste that file to look at, we might get something useful.I’m fairly confident that’s a problem that can be fixed with having an AMD graphics driver running. If it were nVidia, I’d be less confident.
I’ve been using it on my Fedora laptop for the past week or so and it’s really nice, even in alpha 1! Can’t wait to see how it turns out fully finished!
Something doesn’t work so instead of fixing I am looking for alternatives…
Yes that is what I did with Windblows, I’m tired of removing all the adwares they bundled every updates and for the final nail in the coffin they integrated copilot with it, I had enough with Windows so I just switched to Linux instead
Your plasma desktop crashing with dual screens is something that’s not normal. I use two monitors all the time and my desktop has never crashed.
It’s probably on me, I might’ve misconfigured something and I don’t think I can fix it
misconfigured
Unless you did something really stupid and deleted system libraries or something like that, no configuration should cause crashes. Please make a bug report about it at bugs.kde.org. You might not be able to fix it yourself, but crashes are often relatively easy to diagnose and fix for a developer.
Have fun with linux then.
So my mom shouldn’t use GNU/Linux because she can’t fix bugs?
exactly, otherwise she needs your help
From a quick view, it mostly looks like ElementaryOS’s DE to me. What’s the big deal with Cosmic? I really want to know, sell it to me!
For me I’m interested in it for four main reasons:
a) It’s intuitive, even if you’ve never used Linux, while also being very customisable.
b) It’s new. The DE world at the moment is almost entirely Gnome and KDE, with some XFCE and Cinnamon. COSMIC adds to it with their own coat of paint and a very clear, professional outloom on it and clear goals.
c) It’s in Rust. I don’t know Rust, but I know it’s loved by the community and will bring in contributors as well as the bug-related stuff at compile time which is handy.
d) System76 needs to sell it. Normally I’m not a fan of companies being involved in my OS, but I like the way System76 does it: They make laptops that come pre-installed with Pop_OS! and then sell those, so while technically the hardware is their source of income they’ll have to improve their software in actually meaningful ways for it to be appealing to customers. One of the best and also worst things about the open source community IMO is that there’s a lot of very niche stuff- like how 7-zip supports selecting multiple items, compressing them, and then emailing the .zip all in one mouse click. Really cool for whoever wants to do that, but no one wants to do that.
elementary OS doesn’t even have a functioning desktop, you can’t even puts icons or folders on it let alone rearrange them its literally a glorified wallpaper with a dock. please tell me this isn’t the case for Cosmic
I actually really like not having icons on the desktop in gnome. It always ends up a collection of random garbage anyway after some time and Icd rather have that in my home directory. Now i can just press my keyboard shortcut to hide all windows and then I have a clean screen with nothing distracting me.
less functionality is bad. with a bit of gaslighting you can make anything seem like a design choice instead of admitting it’s hard to make a good and sustainable implementation for said functionality. but at least gnome has extensions and is customisable, Pantheon DE is a brick in comparison.
Depends on what you want to do I guess. I’d rather have a clean desktop that cannot accumulate clutter like in windows where applications add shortcuts to the desktop automatically which you then have to remove manually.
linux doesn’t have that problem and most of the times you’re asked if you want to add a shortcut on the Desktop during the install even on Windows, i mean it’s good we have options for all the use cases and workflows by having these different Desktop Environments but i think having options within the DE itself is better for the long-term adoption but it’s harder to maintain which i understand. i like the UI getting used to me not the other way around
It seems like pantheon only supports floating windows, whereas cosmic supports both floating and tiling.
Are you talking why for the user, or why it was developed? The main reason it exists is that System 76 like the Gnome desktop, but didn’t like stuff Gnome was doing, so they decided to make their own version from scratch in Rust. For a user, I don’t think there’s any real compelling reason to use it, especially not right now, unless you love Rust, or have the same feelings about Gnome that S76 did.
For me it is the language it’s written in: Rust. Now I can participate, fix bugs and implement new apps with the language I know the best.
Some people might also say less crashes, less vulnerabilities and all that, but for me the first part is the most important.
Qt and gtk both have rust bindings though?
Yep, but QT’s object model and its being written in C++ makes it super cumbersome to use in Rust. GTK is better here due to it being written in C, but the direction it’s taking in GTK4 is not really great, and having a safe Rust UI toolkit is a huge win for the community.
Cosmic being fully Rust means I can just take one project from them, and immediately start working on it with cargo and all the familiar tools. It’s not as easy with C or C++ projects in Gnome and KDE.
I think it’s great we have some competition in this space, everybody wins.
I think this rust only thing is gonna screw them on the long term. You really don’t want that for app development, it might be a good choice for low level stuff and security sensitive things like browsers; but other than that you’re severely hampering your contribution sources and increasing the development time. Color me skeptic but I see this going the same way unity did.
They use Rust for app dev already. Pretty sure they know what they are biting off.
More than C or C++? I’ve been working on very effective and performing Rust teams professionally now about a decade and I tend to disagree.
The problems come when you don’t support anything other than rust. Higher level languages are better suited for trivial applications. Rust isn’t exactly a very popular language either so you’re not going to attract contributions from random Joe #3. Cosmic’s best hope is to attract the attention of the big players and get enterprise support, because random users just don’t give a shit about the security upsides of Rust and will judge the DE solely based on its looks and features.
This is a weird take. Rust is very popular and is the current heir apparent to C for systems level stuff. It’s a great choice to start a new DE/toolkit.
As for the rest, you’re right the end user doesn’t care about the language their graphical app is in, but the developers fielding their bug reports and making fixes/features sure do.
