So much for the bravery of the military
Cool and normal.
This is part of a statement put out by Chris LaCivita, a Trump campaign spokestroll:
For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country.
I don’t know what makes me angrier, his assault on the English language (it’s “hallowed,” you utter dipshit), or his pathetic attempt at DARVO.
Hollowed made me laugh
Hollowed, like, they hollow out the place to put in the bodies, ya know?
Hollowed because he requires rigorous application of Getsuga Tenshou
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Funny, I would say the ones dishonoring the men and women buried there were the ones who assaulted a woman so they could take campaign videos in a restricted section.
Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring
Yeah, every time I read this to try to understand the grammar, I get a little dumber.
Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender for anyone else who didn’t know.
Is it pathetic if it works on his intended audience?
Yes?
Makes sense, Trump’s cult will come after you and will literally send you death threats.
Fucking USSR-level shit.
All it takes for evil men to triumph…
Trump is a cunt and anybody who ever voted for him is a cunt.
I know it’s obvious and everybody already knows it but I saw his abortion of a face on my feed so now you have to hear it again.
Don’t disservice abortions by comparing them to Trump. Abortions save lives, Trump doesn’t.
He also lacks the depth and warmth to be a cunt.
And by “fear of retaliation”, I’m assuming that means fear of death threats (and worse than mere threats) from the likes of the party that thinks it is FUNNY that one of their own attacked Nancy Pelosi’s husband, nearly killing him.
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They really can ruin your life; ask Michael Cohen or Gabby Giffords
Paul Pelosi or Gretchen Whitmer likely have something to say on the matter as well.
I still don’t understand why any human but the worst would even consider voting for this maggot.
Bullies and thier wannabes.
Only the worst humans vote for him. The issue is that American society is full of shitheads.
The silent fear of Trump and his cultists strikes again. It is one of things he does a lot where people know how deranged his base is and don’t want to hold him accountable.
An aide to Donald Trump “abruptly pushed aside” an Arlington National Cemetery employee on Monday when the former president visited the site with family members of U.S. service members killed in the 2021 Kabul airport attack during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, NBC News reports.
The Trump aide pushed the cemetery employee out of the way to get past to take photos and video at Section 60, where service members killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are buried.
Any decent organization would have apologized to the employee and her boss a long time ago. But, we’re talking Trump here.
They had already talked to the cemetery and set up the visit and the rules were given to him (or his handlers) at that time. He (they ) were told it was just to be a personal visit with whatever handlers he required (ex.- secret service) but that campaign staff and photos/video was strictly forbidden. So him showing up with his campaign posse looking to do a photo op was something they already knew ahead of time was not allowed.
Edit - curse you autocorrect!
They really should have had more than just this one lady there to enforce that. They knew this was a risk and they were worried about him following the rules.
Why should a cemetery for fallen soldiers NEED to make sure a former President of the United States isn’t coming to the cemetery with his campaign to do a photoshoot they were specifically told in advance was not permitted (and was illegal)? Why should the burden of Trump following the law be on cemetery staff?
And he broke the law and had photographic and video evidence to prove it, so why doesn’t law enforcement stop treating these chuds like they are above the law and arrest them and let them make their case in court.
Because they knew he was likely to violate the rules they laid out, and when a controlling entity knows a high-profile likely lawbreaker is incoming they should staff accordingly rather than pretend a single email means he’ll do it. It was worth their time to talk about it at high levels and define rules for his visit, it shouldn’t have been to a single woman to actually be there and tell him no. Just have some federal agents there to arrest them as soon as they do something illegal.
And yeah, now that he broke the law, they should prosecute him.
They had spoken to someone in his circle and explained the rules, and I’m sure they were assured they understood, so I don’t think it was until Trump and posse arrived at the cemetery they knew his campaign planned to go rouge. And again, you should be able to trust that a former US President of all people should be expected to follow the rules when visiting a cemetery for fallen soldiers.
Hind sight is also 20/20, and I don’t think anyone that day was expecting a former President to show up to Arlington to make a seen, and have campaign staff assault cemetery staff.
This isn’t hindsight. People were worried he’d politicize the event from the beginning. If he turned over a new leaf and surprised us all by respecting the solemnity of the cemetery, oh well, you’ve sent a couple extra staff out to waste some time for a contingency that didn’t come to pass.
Saying “you should be able to trust a former president” just completely ignores that this particular former president is well known and doesn’t care about rules. He literally incited an insurrection and then sat back and watched. There’s no excuse to be surprised by Trump at this point.
I always thought it was the DA that brought charges. What do they mean by won’t press charges?
If a victim says “don’t do anything, I won’t cooperate with criminal prosecution” then the DA often chooses not to proceed.
Not at all. They can and do charge people.
100%
It’s often difficult to proceed with prosecution if the victim doesn’t want to move forward, but there’s no hard and fast rule. And, it is clearly above this guy’s pay grade to be single handedly tangling with a movement that might well kill him for the effort with no repercussions.
It is the army’s place to say “clearly this is a violation and we DGAF what the staffer in the ground thinks about it” in order to try to shield him from responsibility, and then do their 1,000% best to rake Trump and the people responsible over the fucking coals regardless. This is like institutionalism responsibility mechanics 101.
You should read the article. The Army already bent over for him.
Oh, I’m aware that the army for some fuckin reason decided to let it slide. I’m saying that THAT, you can get mad at (or at the federal prosecutors in VA who aren’t working on a grand jury right now). Not the totally powerless person who has no ability to do anything but invite retribution to herself and her family.
The DA doesn’t need their support, they have the video evidence of a federal crime.
Stop treating these fucks with kid gloves for fucks sake. Press the goddamn charges! Quit being fearful of retaliation because that is exactly what the rapist and his cult want. This is frustrating.
What a shame the assassin missed.
There would undoubtedly be fallout, but the public really needs to remember that we are the ones allowing democracy to be shit on and destroyed in front of our eyes as Media across the country only cares about engagement.
It turns out letting America be held hostage by Fascists makes for good TV, and the 6 people who own almost every media outlet never forgot how great enslaved populations were for their bottom line.
Probably best that Trump survives to lose, and lose hard. Had be been assassinated, he’d be the perfect martyr and we’d never be free of MAGA. There’s no heir apparent ATM, but given the power vacuum his murder would have opened, bet they would have found one with the quickness. Pre-election, even a natural death would open doors. Plus, imagine the violence that would have erupted.
Right now we’re only seeing low-level stochastic terrorism, but I honestly think his most unhinged followers would have been hunting “enemies of the state” (read liberals) in the streets.
Conservatives loathe failures. Yet another Trump failure, they’re on the turning away. If Harris thoroughly whips his ass, watch a year from now, “Yeah, I never was a big fan of his.” Same as happened to Nixon. Sure, he had die-hard fans, but most of his people got real quiet, real quick.
This campaign is his last ditch, last gasp, chance to stay relevant. If, and I believe when, he loses in a landslide, he’s going to quickly spiral into history’s outhouse. Loss of personal freedom, money, power and influence, loss of followers, and loss of health on the heels of all that? He’s fucked.
Yes, the man has dodged accountability his whole life, but remove his power, money and influence, he’s going to be standing buck naked. The chickens are coming home to roost. I can hear them already.
I wish I could believe that we will ever be free of “MAGA”.
I mean, it doesn’t help when you know the vast majority of police officers, prosecutors, and judges lean to the right. I get what you’re saying though.
The problem is that as a random cemetery worker who can’t afford bodyguards 24/7, pressing charges stands a significant chance of getting you killed.
Man, fuck stochastic terrorism.
And doing nothing only emboldens them.
You would sacrifice your life or your family to teach Trump a lesson?
When has a MAGA fanatic gone out and attacked an individual that crossed Trump? I’m sure it’s happened, but I can’t think of a single incident. Does Pelosi’s husband count? That felt more like a, “kill libs” thing, and she was a much higher profile target than you and I ever will be.
I’d press charges, be scared shitless and have guns salted around the house like Easter eggs. My kids would be staying inside unless we drove away to get outdoors. And my wife’s pistol training would go from, “how to have fun safely” to “here’s how self-defense works”.
Shitty way to live? You fucking bet, but it would only be temporary, soon forgotten. A Trump Presidency would be permanent.
Stormy Daniels could have disappeared very quietly. She chose to be a witness instead, and Trump has borne the fallout from that case seeing the light of day.
Look at all the #MeToo abusers who fell from power and public favor - their behavior was “known” publicly in their industry but not widely across the country - and so they remained in positions of power and influence to continue that abuse.
If Trump wins in November do you think he will spare your family that you protected by not teaching him a lesson?
Do you not think its cowardly to not stand up for your fellow citizens and instead stand for only yourself?
It’s like Hurricane Katrina all over again. “Just leave the poors to suffer, fuck em, we are rich and escaped so who cares.”
USA if falling apart because everyone cares about their own skins more than the collective.
SO…you WOULD get your children killed so a Trump staffer gets a slap on the wrist? How does that help the collective again?
The fact that no one even considers organizing in reverse to protect this person against the crazies is really revealing, you know.
Black Panthers started because they knew they couldn’t trust external forces to protect them.
Glad to know none of y’all will stand up for this persons family, and instead think them standing up to this would equal “killing their own kids” instead of you giving an inch and helping protect them.
You’re the one calling her a coward. How is that protecting her? Start organizing and I’ll join you. Keep calling her a coward for refusing to step up with no protection and I’ll know you’re a hypocrite.
Sorry, but you forgot to blame us all for Katrina again and therefore your point is invalid.
Why the fuck can’t the police place charges anyway? Here in Canada any assault charge is automatic, it doesn’t require the victim to do anything. Is that not true in the US?
The government can press charges on your behalf, but if you’re resistant they will often let the matter drop. It’s really hard to win a case like this if the victim refuses to testify.
Yeah but there’s video evidence in this case
That being said, I don’t think the state should endanger a victim who is afraid for their safety and not consenting by making them go to trial
Depends on the state and sometimes city.
I’m not sure what Arlington Cemetery actually counts as for law enforcement, but it’s in Virginia, a former slave state.
Fun Fact: the property was confiscated from Robert E Lee following a tax dispute (they couldn’t pay the back taxes they owed from the Civil War)
https://www.history.com/news/arlington-national-cemetery-robert-e-lee-estate
As does the system of nothing happening to people like Trump, while also allowing him to use his platform to target his cult on his new “enemy”. We need a system that will treat a former president accused of assault the same way the cops would respond to an alleged assault with a minority involved.
Until the system is actually going to work for the victim instead of caring about the optics of the assailant (or their “help”), I don’t blame this woman for not wanting to put a target on herself for just doing her job and protecting the privacy/dignity of fallen soldiers and their families.
president accused of assault
I keep seeing this sort of comment, as if Trump himself was involved. I’m still not clear if he was present at the altercation. Anyone know exactly where he was during all this?
It was his campaign staff doing the assault, but you think their dear leader was just chilling in the car or something while this woman stepped in to shut down the illegal photoshoot happening? It was his campaign staff there illegally, I think that puts him on the hook for this.
In case you’ve forgotten, Trump has been more than accused of sexual assault.
For sure. But as an individual, it makes a lot of sense to hide instead of fight.
When fascism wins and starts rounding up people to be executed… Will you have the same attitude?
When your family is facing literal death by a fascist party, was it worth saving just your own family to begin with before they took power?
Because backing down emboldened them, then they took power, now they have control of all legal mechanisms, and now you and your family will die horrifically anyway.
Was it worth it?
Right with ya. I’d press charges, no hesitation. I’d also be a paranoid fucking mess of a human being, a gun within reach no matter where I was. Same room is not good enough, I mean an arm’s length away, tops. Running around the house, peeking out windows like a meth head on a 3-day binge.
Ironically, I might well decline to press my suit in a local matter. Pissing off the local cops? Now you got a permanent target on your back. These MAGA fuckers though, they seem to require numbers to get their pecker up. They also seem to only aim for governmental people and places.
Armchair warrior.
Bravery is not a lack of fear, it’s rather the opposite.
Also, the temporary paranoia I’d suffer would pale in comparison to the life-long ass-kicking I would deal myself if I let this slide.
“First they came for the…” You know the rest.
“Yes, but maybe we can just trust The System and this whole fascism thing will just go away on its own without anyone having to do anything uncomfortable”… says/said nearly everyone with any power to influence whether it goes away.
Not that this unnamed employee pressing charges against a Trump underling is going to save Democracy, and really it’s more important that the government enforce the no-politicizing law, but it’s how this problem festers. We shouldn’t need to even be dealing with a third Trump campaign.
Ah yes, because *checks notes… telling people to do things like press charges is being an armchair warrior.
Also yes, because being in poverty and knowing deep in your heart half the people who say they support you would bail on the country entirely if it meant saving their own skins doesn’t make you tired of hearing it. Because if these people cared so much for each other, they might stand up for each other instead of turning tail and saying “save yourself” while doing nothing to help.
It’s like telling a drowning person to save themselves while holding tightly onto the life vest you could throw them.
Telling someone else to risk their life is what an armchair warrior does. It’s what you are doing.
You’re not the one facing the possibility that somebody will kidnap and torture and murder you, your kids, your spouse, etc. right now, with serious doubt as to whether law enforcement, neighbors, judges, and others will help them or take the side of the absuser.
It’s on the cemetery worker to make that call for themselves, and I don’t blame people who choose to run or hide instead of fight.
I do, because the people who can run or hide are not the most vulnerable in society, who get left behind to deal with the fascists.
Hurrican Katrina all over again. Fuck what happens to the poors, we gotta save ourselves!
with serious doubt as to whether law enforcement, neighbors, judges, and others will help them or take the side of the absuser.
And when Trump takes power, that’s going to get better?
But in the case of Hurricane Katrina, if people had all stayed they would’ve all died. There are groups of people all over who only survived genocide by others and total decimation by natural disasters because some fled.
I agree we should confront fascists if we are able. I have a collection of death threats from Nazis, myself. But not everyone has to be like me to be valid. Some people aren’t fighters, they flee. That’s fine. Or should we give pregnant women and 5 year olds guns?
If fascists have no one to hurt but each other, then they consume themselves. Fleeing involves the least amount of harm to innocent non-fascists versus fighting which gives them a common enemy to harm.
That’s nice to say from the comfort of your own chair, when you’re not the one taking the risk.
This. And if they having been paying any attention, they can see that someone like Nancy Pelosi was even vulnerable to an attack from these demons. They came for her, but got her husband. And that’s someone prominent like Nancy - imagine being a cemetary worker and knowing the kind of hate and vitriol and quite possibly, literal violence that would be aimed at you (and your family - these asshats are cowards to the core, of course).
I would press charges. This just shows bullying works.
Isn’t it up to the local district attorney to press charges? Usually they won’t go ahead if the victim won’t cooperate, but that doesn’t mean they can’t.
IANAL, but I believe that is only a thing in Commonwealth states of Maryland, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Virginia. In normal states, I don’t believe it is standard practice for the state to pick up the charge if the victim refused to prosecute.
Good thing Arlington is in Virginia then… Oh wait, fucking youngkin
That’s easy to say, you don’t know what already happened aside from her attempt to stop this. She could have had awful threats, maybe even towards her kids.
She already fought and lost, and there was and is still no one openly supporting her. Read the article, not even the military ( her employer) does.
