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    Some places suck.

    Some places suck, by design.

    Reducing criticism of systemic problems to “just because you disagree” is dishonest… and indicative.

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      “You censored me for my opinion”

      “What opinion was it?”

      “…”

      “What opinion was it Anakin?”

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        sigh All because of woke! It’s like you can’t even be civilized and manifest destiny in peace anymore… sarcasm

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        I see no problem with blocking users for their belief that I should be slaughtered over the sin of checks comments being born in the USA.

        And I see no problem blocking instances where they gather.

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          You do realize that was most likely a joke comment, right? The genocidal US Empire is awful, but the idea that some online Communist thinks you should die purely from being from the US is silly.

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          Buddy your country has killed tens if not over a hundred million people in the conquest of war for hegemonic power and resource control across the globe. Someone on the internet hurt your feelings when making a joke. Obviously those two things are the same. 🙄

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    this is an explicit design feature of federation: free association. this is one of the primary reasons it is in theory better than something centralized. this post is layers of wrong.

  • Melody Fwygon@lemmy.one
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    In aggregate; 5 instances, less than 5 communities, and more than 69, nice, blocked users.

    I don’t mess around. I don’t hesitate to block people who argue needlessly, make my experience less informational or less entertaining, troll, or disregard arguments made in foundational logic to push a point of view or ‘win the argument’. Similarly my instance ignores downvotes and does not display them; as with most platforms which behave similarly to reddit; they simply do not work outside of your personal, local account, local instance, user-sorting context.

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      My instance removed downvotes before we even launched federation. Also more instances preemptively defederated with us before that even happened because they were scared of the evil tankies (which is funny because a bunch of us are also anarchists).

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    I think it depends on what you disagree with. If one is promoting going after our neighbors, hunting them down and killing them? Yeah, defederate. If another is Meta trying to take over the federation. Yeah, I vote defederate. If one thinks Hawaiian pizza is a travesty and the other doesn’t, hold your horses.

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    lemmy world admins cracking down on posts they don’t like with no accountability and arbitrarily changing their ToS after the fact to cover for it, but somehow the entirety of the factionalist weirdos who cling to the idea of a corpo-friendly Reddit clone are laying the blame on… other instances?

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    When Musk took over Twitter he allowed violent and extremist views to flood it without moderation.

    That’s the sort of community Lemmy would be if we didn’t have the tools needed to keep it clean of harmful ideologies.

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        When nazis start enforcing their ideology I will raise arms, until then your sentiment closely resembles the goal of propagandists on these sites: create division and cause violence.

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          What are you talking about? Exploding Heads is a literal Nazi Lemmy Instance that was defederated by pretty much every major instance.

          Or are you going on an Anticommunist rant?

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            I have no context about the community, I assumed you were advocating for exploding heads of political enemies as a way of keeping feeds clean, because the comment explicitly reads as such.

            There is nothing communist about Nazis, just like theres nothing Democratic about the DPRK.

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              I have no context about the community, I assumed you were advocating for exploding heads of political enemies as a way of keeping feeds clean, because their comment explicitly reads as such.

              That’s certainly a leap. Exploding Heads is a Nazi Lemmy Instance.

              There is nothing communist about Nazis, just like theres nothing Democratic about the DPRK.

              So it was a random anticommunist rant, unprovoked, lmao

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                If anything I said seems anticommunist to you then clearly you don’t know what communism is.

                You should start referring to the nazi community “exploding heads” as “the nazi community “exploding heads”” if you dont want people to think of heads which are exploding.

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                  I know quite well what Communism is, thank you very much. You’re openly pro-NATO and anti-Communist.

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            NATO’s only function is mutual defense, NATO support ends when a member attacks.

            Since the only thing NATO does is prevent War, the only anti-NATO stance is a pro-war stance.

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                Are you referring to the coalition of some NATO members and some non-NATO members (19 nations total) enforcing a United Nations Security Council decision to make an immediate ceasefire and end the civil war in Libya?

                The one with zero troops on the ground?

                Being in NATO had no impact on the events, NATO member support was not mandatory as per the terms of NATO. The only reason they even call it a NATO operarion was because Itally would only vote in favor of the operation if NATO members were in charge instead of France.

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                  The reason for NATO’s involvement is quite irrelevant because they were still happy to step in and do the work. The fact is that it was ultimately NATO-led and their efforts did not lead to peace in the region.

                  To call NATO’s involvement in Libya ‘anti-war’ is sheer lunacy.

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          Anti-Trade

          What does this mean?

          Anti-NATO

          It’s good to be Anti-NATO, NATO has Nazi origins and serves as a way to maintain Western Hegemony, securing profits via Imperialism and defending said Imperialism through coalition.

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            Lmao

            Mutual defense and deterrent to invasion by hostile world powers both in and outside of NATO is a bad thing? Sure, okay pal.

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              .

              Also, don’t send us reports just because you don’t agree with someone. We’re not here to censor people for you.

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                Oh no! So you want to talk about how the mutual self defence pact is somehow oppressing you or will you just keep dodging forever?

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                  Reason: User threatens me not to report his alt accounts for misinformation again

                  What alt accounts? What are you even talking about? That’s two bullshit reports in one day, wasting our time.

                  Reason: Claimes NATO forces other nations into subservience.

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                  Nato is as much a “mutual defense” pact as sea lions are lions. These guys bombed Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq and countless other nations. The members of Nato have repeatedly cooperated with each other, using the military networks built through the alliance to wage proxy wars, perform coups, destabilise regions of the world at a scale never before seen in human history.

                  You might as well call the axis a mutual defense alliance lmao.

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              It’s an alliance between Imperialist countries, and the alliance itself has Nazi origins and has had Nazi leaders. Yes, it’s a bad thing, because Imperialism is a bad thing.

              It’s a gang of countries that hyper-exploit the Global South in mutual defense against said Global South.

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                It’s literally only function is a deterrent to war, including by members against others as they will not gain NATO support unless they are attacked.

                Its members might exploit, but thats a meaningless statement about NATO itself because without NATO there would literally be more war.

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                  It’s literally only function is a deterrent to war, including by members against others as they will not gain NATO support unless they are attacked.

                  It’s expansionist against the wishes of outside countries, and NATO exerts military pressure on the Global South.

                  Its members might exploit, but thats a meaningless statement about NATO itself because without NATO there would literally be more war.

                  Bzzzzt wrong. NATO’s only function is to preserve Western Hegemony and dominate the Global South militarily, so that member-States can continue exploiting ruthlessly unopposed. This results in proxy wars, such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

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              anti globalist, economically it’s just universally bad

              Right… NAFTA was universally beloved and was never taken advantage of by unsavory political characters. I’m sure you have some very unkind words for Biden after he continued and expanded Trump’s trade war.[/s]

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                funnily enough my comment was removed, unsure why, pretty sure it was mostly accurate though lol.

                I’m sure you have some very unkind words for Biden after he continued and expanded Trump’s trade war.

                it’s a fine balance between putting a 20% tariff on literally every import (i believe trump wanted to do this) and putting a 100% tariff on chinese EVs to give the american auto market a leg to stand on.

                It’s a give and take, like everything is. But regardless, globalism is generally good for the economy.

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                  It is weird that your comment was removed.

                  it’s a fine balance between putting a 20% tariff on literally every import (i believe trump wanted to do this) and putting a 100% tariff on chinese EVs to give the american auto market a leg to stand on.

                  Right this is the contradiction I was poking fun at.

                  Personally, I prefer the carrot to the stick approach. I think we should do more stuff like the chips act and less stuff like tariffs. This is especially true in the context of technology that aids in the transition to an economy that uses less fossil fuels. The ~$10,000 Chinese EVs would be a pretty massive tool in that arsenal. (Though not as good of a tool as they are in China because of China’s genuinely impressive rail system.) If you want more American made EVs —cool so do I— but we will get there faster with the right industrial policy. The tariffs do little to make that happen.

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                Well I certainly could make comparisons but thats a little irrelevnt. The core of my statement is that Lemmy doesn’t operate the way Twitter does.

                For me “the fuck is that question” is just a colloquial expression of confusion, not anger.

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          Ah yes, free trade, the thing that improved the economies of ex-communist countries after the USSRs collapse and is on the path to fixing almost every African nations poverty.

          Ah yes, NATO, the “we will only call for (and maybe possibly do something to enforce) human rights if it’s convenient for us” alliance. And I’m sure all it’s member nations have squeaky clean track records when it comes to international politics.

          We must ban anyone against these things! That’s dangerous extremist ideology

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          I’ve got bad news for you: a lot of us are anti-NATO.

          Also, what the hell is anti-trade? Do you want every Westphalian state to build a wall around itself?

          Edit to add: Oh I see, you created this new account because @[email protected] got permabanned from lemmy.ml 😂 Let’s see how long this one lasts…

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    Everyone likes dialectics and agree that it’s the best method to learn and move the thinking forward… Until they actually met with some antithesis of their thinking.

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    I think there’s benefit to blocking the particularly Nazi/pedo instances, but otherwise do wish we’d just all be able to federate together and share content for the most part.

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      You’ll just need to find an instance that federates with most instances. I think that’s why I chose lemm.ee. A lot of them censored porn too which was lame.

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      Like lemmygrad seems to be some fascist propaganda and hexbear is the same

      Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Communists (as well as anarchists in the case of Hexbear), the polar opposite of fascism.

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        They aren’t like any other anarchist I know and I’m in a local anarchist group. Like no anarchist should ever be defending authoritarian governments.

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          You could try talking to them instead of calling them fascists, there’s a good chance you have no idea what they actuslly believe and are filling in gaps with your own imagination.

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            I tried to understand why they were defending governments like in Russia, North Korea and China but got permabanned for sectarianism.

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              In the case of Russia, Hexbear largely hates it, they just believe it to be working against NATO. As for the DPRK and PRC, Hexbear defends AES over Capitalist countries, and that includes Anarchists.

              It’s impossible to be an Anarchist and side with Western Hegemony.

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                You don’t need to side with any hegemony but defending countries that would and have killed anarchist movements makes you less of an anarchist than one that does defend any western power.

                Ultimately advocating for anarchist ideals is more likely to work outside of authoritarian governments so I cannot understand how hexbear can defend those. But then again people vote against their interests all the time so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.

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                  defending countries that would and have killed anarchist movements makes you less of an anarchist than one that does defend any western power.

                  Western powers kill Anarchists too, to a greater extent. If you do not understand this, you are not an Anarchist.

                  Ultimately advocating for anarchist ideals is more likely to work outside of authoritarian governments so I cannot understand how hexbear can defend those. But then again people vote against their interests all the time so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.

                  Anarchists picking Socialism over Capitalism and Imperialism makes sense