"Yeah these guys are calling for literal Genocide, but that’s what “from the river to the sea means!”

What an incredibly weird whataboutism and wild claim to make without evidence.

Meningher has done actual media for Netanyahu’s campaigns.

How does anything Hamas are doing have any bearing on this guy openly broadcasting his genocidal fantasy?

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.

Palestinians have a right to resist occupation and colonialism.

Those that use the phrase definitely know what they’re saying and how they’re saying it. I could think of any other number of ways to convey a message of “liberation” without such loaded language, but this is a choice to use that phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

Al Qaeda

Among the materials recovered by American forces during the killing of al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden was a speech addressed to the American people, in which bin Laden proposed economic and security guarantees in exchange for a “roadmap that returns the Palestine land to us, all of it, from the sea to the river, it is an Islamic land not subject to being traded or granted to any party.”

Hezbollah

On September 27, 2008, Hezbollah secretary-general Hassan Nasrallah stated at a rally “Palestine, from the sea to the river is the property of Arabs and Palestinians and no one has the right to give up even a single grain of earth or one stone, because every grain of the land is holy. The entire land must be returned to its rightful owners.”

Iran

Iranian president Ebrahim Raisi, in 2023, used the phrase, saying “The only solution is a Palestinian state from the river to the sea”, meaning that the only solution to the conflict would be a Palestinian state encompassing all of Israel and the Palestinian territories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZE7YnRIXtg

Don’t confuse Israelis with all Jews, especially not with the ones that got genocided.

Never forget that actual Holocaust Survivors have been deemed antisemitic by Israelis for comparing some of the actions of Israel with those of the Nazis.

More broadly only a handful of people who were directly affected by the Holocaust still live, of which only a fraction in Israel, none of which are the ones doing this (if only because they’re too old) or in Government. In fact the majority of the families in Israel were never affected by the Holocaust even indirectly because most come from elsewhere than Western Europe, a large fraction of whom from Russia.

There is no such thing as a “Jewish Hive Mind” (or whatever the magical thing that would be necessary for every member of the Jewish Religion to share the actual trauma lived by some) which means that the vast majority of these murdering ethno-Fascist psychopaths have no real relation to the Holocaust other than sharing a religious affiliation with the biggest group of victims of it, a distant and entirely “in paper only” link.

So it’s not at all surprising that people who have never actually experienced the trauma of being victimized in that way but grew up immersed in the kind of racist indoctrination that tells them they’re part of a “chosen people” and hence inherently special themselves, unlike other people, especially the ones being oppressed in their name who they are told are “violent” and even “human animals”, would do such a thing to those other people: in fact the surprise is how long it took the rest of us to discover how much of it they were already doing and discover the true depth of their depravity.

If we remove the outside resistance, no, just as likely simply because of being of genocidal species.

If we don’t, then being genocided yourself and becoming treated specially because of that does, yes.

First, because of being treated specially. Second, because of those likely to commit genocide supporting you to minimize their PR expenses, and thus your friends and allies being genocidal.

Israel’s allies are like US and Germany, which, BTW, has made such notable apologetic actions and reparations only in case of the Holocaust, - they haven’t done anything except the official apology in case of Herero genocide, and their stance on the Armenian genocide was just recognizing it without criminalizing denial, and with very little attention to German Empire’s role in organizing it (basically German military advisors in the Ottoman Empire were involved in this as much as they were in actual warfare).

I don’t think I need to say anything about US, even the political status of Native Americans in the US could be something better.

But Israel is also friendly with Turkey - Israel has the PR advantage of being a genocide survivor nation, and Turkey has a resources and strategic position advantage of unpunished genocide perpetrator nation. One needs the resources help, another needs the PR help. They satisfy each other’s needs, and really a lot of basic goods in Israel are actually produced in Turkey. Even some military stuff.

Strangely enough it’s the same with Germany - they are clutching at every opportunity to publicly support Israel, and wave that support against anything bad they do. “We are friendlier with Israel than you” is their indulgence against anything.

This is, of course, solvable in the balancing way - Israel’s Holocaust PR should be universally shunned and condemned, their agent network investigated, exposed and controlled, and their military kicked out of Palestine, and Turkey should be kicked out with carpet bombings out of Western Armenia, Pontus, Assyria and Cilicia. It takes resources, like everything else. But the reward is huge for those of us not making money on suffering.

The problem is the psychopatic way geopolitics work currently. Peaceful West Asia, less corrupt\poor Latin America, less uneducated\poor sub-Saharan Africa could make our whole world far richer and pleasant to live in. But it would definitely change all the elites and ways of existence of currently powerful countries.

Until they discover smallpox blankets

They are some proud boys.

Lifelong indoctrination with minimal critical education or dissenting ideals can be a hell of a drug.

Yeah these guys are not going to heaven.

If you want to see less anti israel posts just block people or instances posting them.

There is nothing wrong with calling out Nazis. It is duty to speak up against Genocide.

As for the anti-Palestine posts, those don’t do very well on Lemmy anymore.

Yeah lets tone police the genocide.

No it’s important to talk about this AND keep the pressure up on our politicians to stop arming Israel to try and force them to stop. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

Nah, I think it’s important for people to see the kind of attitudes that cause a genocide, as that’s what’s happening right now. We shouldn’t be turning a blind eye to it while we’re funding and supplying it. Especially if you live in the West, Israel’s biggest backers, it’s important to acknowledge it so we can fight against it. That’s kind of what “never again” means and requires.

Ya this was my exact thought, this is Nazism, pretty much the definition of it.

Israel is in dire need of denazification.

Or the Warsaw ghetto… you know… a segregated part of a country bring reduced to ruin with technological superior weaponry, due to a people resisting the oppressive regime of a racist state.

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