It’s possible to hate Dick Cheney’s politics but also to agree with him that Trump is an autocrat who attempted a coup, and that’s dangerous.
We also probably agree that a post-coffee morning shit is satisfying.
People forget conservative politics are deeply personal. Dick Cheney being anti trump has everything to do with Liz Cheney being canceled by MAGA and is largely probably not a principled stance
Maybe he’ll take up painting, too.
right media also switched him from bad to good now? doubt
I think the real take away is that even Dick Cheney and Bernie Sanders agree Kamala Harris is the better candidate.
That’s a big F’ng tent.
Conservatives are pretending they were always against Cheney. It’s weird.
Conservatives are trying whatever they can to make people not vote for their opponents
lol you fucking idiots loved him when he was actually committing war crimes. That said, I have yet to see anyone praise him.
That said, I have yet to see anyone praise him.
As someone who lived through 9/11, I remember quite a few folks praising and fawning over him. He was a chronic guest of the Sunday Morning politics talk shows at least until the big GOP defeat in 2006. And he kept getting interviewed on fairly favorable terms, as a critic of Obama’s relatively dovish foreign policy, well into Obama’s first term. FOX News anchors practically tripped over each other lauding him well into 2016.
He never got the proper “honorable man” / “he kept us safe” retconning that Bush Jr received. Nobody is doing 30 minute segments sitting with Cheney and talking to him about his passion for water colors of feet. But until Trump took the Presidency and really turned the neoconservative movement upside down, it was easy enough to find friendly coverage of the former VP.
I meant to say 8 have nor heard any democrats praising him.
I think he’s just less weird than most of his friends. I don’t think we need to call him a good guy.
Cheney is not a fascist.
Cheney is not a white supremacist.
Cheney respects the constitution.
Cheney is not a good guy.
Cheney is a ruthless piece of shit.
Cheney is a war criminal.
Cheney shot his friend.All of the above are true statements.
Not super sure about the constitution one, but fairly on point.
Yeah, I’d argue that being a war criminal is kind of against the spirit of almost every constitution.
Agreed on all fronts except the third, more like:
Cheney realized as VP, he doesn’t have much oversight so doesn’t need to break the constitution.
No, he’s maybe not a good guy. But he can make least-worse decisions at times.
Unlike the republicans, a person’s worth doesn’t coincide with their congruence but their congruence coincides with their worth.
I don’t think anyone is saying he’s good. They’re just saying “holy shit, even this this insane guy who is so bad is anti-Trump”
He’s evil af but intelligent and informed enough to know that his own personal well-being is better served by perpetuating the current system rather than forcing the nation into some dystopian MAGA authoritarian hell hole.
The thing is it legitimizes them.
This isn’t a new or unique problem.
I think Israel’s government sucks, I say it a lot. Sometimes a Nazi agrees with me. I don’t say “even Nazis hate Israel”.
I tell the Nazi to shut the fuck up, and that were not on the same team.
Before Biden dropped out, sometimes I’d criticize him and a trumper would show up and agree with me. I never said “even trump supporters think Biden is a shitty candidate”.
I told them to fuck off and we weren’t on the same team.
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum. Ideally she could actually hold him accountable for some of his war crimes.
I dont want to see everyone talk about how things were better when Republicans were like Dick Cheney. Because shit was fucked up even back before Reagan was in office.
This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.
A former republican vice president endorsing a democratic president candidate is note worthy because it’s goes faint their ideology.
That you choose to reach for Nazis to make your argument is the clearest Godwin Law I’ve witnessed in a long time.
This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.
They don’t though. Nazis love Israel and historically have never opposed the concept, since they agree on the point that Jews should leave Europe.
The mental gymnastics are real, careful you don’t hurt yourself.
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum
Are we talking about the same Kamala Harris who defined John McCain a “war hero”, a “true patriot” and a “conscience of the Senate”?
Have you actually looked at the polls?
The race is neck and neck.
You don’t get to pick and choose at a time like this.
Maybe they should be reaching out to working people and not Cheneys?
Show me where Harris ‘reached out’ to Dick Cheney.
She didn’t change anything to win over GOPs, they came over because they are sick of Trump.
She reaches out to the neocons with every single policy concession. Fracking. Universal healthcare. Student loans. Police reform. The ratchet continues, and all the liberals have to offer is “At least it’s not fascism” as we help genocide Palestine and corporate power grows until it’s practically the same thing as state power.
And what are you offering?
You really think that all the voters who didn’t force the Dems to nominate a true Progressive in 2020 are going to vote for some as yet unnamed candidate in November?
We’re in danger of drowning, and your response is to complain that the lifeboat doesn’t have WiFi.
Precisely. This crowd loves to talk a good talk about the ratchet or the Overton window, but offers absolutely nothing in terms of practical, realistic solutions.
No, a third party progressive with zero national name recognition and no ballot access in a majority of the country is not going to magically win 270 electoral votes if you write them in. If going viral was that easy everyone would do it. So grow up and offer a practical solution, or shut the fuck up.
you realize trump clicked the ratchet far far faster than any democrat? When republicans win the dems only ever come back more racist in response.
This isn’t an election, its a hostage situation and the way to deal with a hostage situation is to appear to negotiate with the hostage takers until you can remove them, its not to immediately attempt to kill all the hostages.
I don’t see it as legitimizing anything. MAGA pundits are even now calling Cheney of all people a RINO. Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. If this pushes some Republicans to vote for Harris, wonderful. If it discourages some moderates from voting for Trump by not voting (WHY would they still be voting for him as moderate…but that’s a different topic), then that still helps. She should just not acknowledge his endorsement, let it fall where it will. Any attention is going to hurt someone’s feelings, and there’s already the problem of people on the left who can’t have their perfect utopia with Harris and somehow think her not winning will help their cause.
Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.
Which would be fine and I wouldn’t have made my comment.
That’s not what’s happening, moderate politicians and mainstream media are celebrating a war criminal’s endorsement of Kamala…
So in your hypothetical scenario that’s isn’t based on reality, we’d agree.
But do you agree with me that in real life, we should be ignore Dick Cheney except to talk about how he still needs to be held accountable for war crimes?
The media follows what will get attention, unfortunately. Probably true of some politicians as well. He should absolutely be held responsibly for all he did, but understandably the news topic is how even diehard Republicans of old are turning on Trump. I note that apparently GWB has decided to not be public about anything, which sort of says he’s in the same boat, he just maybe doesn’t want or need the publicity.
Are they celebrating, or just pointing at the “betrayal” as more evidence of a collapsing campaign? Maybe if they just have the headline say “Enabler of crimes against humanity also against Trump” to cover all bases.
So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…
I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum
I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists, where vague concepts of noble virtue and ideological purity supersede pragmatism at the most crucial moment.
I can’t possibly imagine being so privileged that I could get an endorsement from a former Republican VP during an incredibly close race and my response to him would be “fuck off”.
I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists,
You’d have to be completely and totally ignorant of American politics to think in 2024 this is what the party would do…
What specifically? Choke? Leave it to Democrats to sneak defeat from the jaws of victory. Or do you mean hire an amateur as a political strategist? I agree, but sometimes I wonder.
You’re gonna have to try harder 🤡
Not at all happening, he’s just correct once
can we get an actual quote of these sources supposedly saying he’s a good guy? or are we supposed to just believe it cause someone photoshopped a speech bubble on a bunch of logos?
No source on the quotes about him being a good guy, but I assume this is in response to the story that he’s planning to vote for Harris, according to his daughter.
i know but whoever says this makes him a good guy
The rehabilitation of wealthy and powerful people with a disgusting past happens, not with fanfares and explicit exposition, but with gradual normalisation.
They are given platforms on respected media. Their opinion is sought on the current bête noire. They are given all this oxygen without ever having to account for their sins. All they have to do is play nice and rigidly follow the establishment consensus. Soon enough, once a commensurate (to the sins) amount of news cycles passes they’ll be dignitaries again.
I don’t think Fox News is saying anything about him voting for Harris and if they are, it’s not positive.
Seems like they are concerned that if Dementia DonOLD wins they’re going to be put on his hit list. It’s a valid concern.
No.
