We can do both. It will take time and strong, sustained effort. But we can do it.

Spin universal healthcare as “Those damn overpayed doctors should be forced to support their nation!” and BOOM, patriotism.

Socialism/communism = “someone got something that I don’t think they deserved.”

They’re just bad words to people. I think a lot of the “normal people” on the right are just people who are too stupid to understand politics, so it works like their football team. You don’t need to know anything about the Dallas Cowboys or Patriots to hate them. Democrats are bad because they are the other team. We don’t need to know what “woke” means - it’s just a word that describes people on the bad team.

If you manage to avoid the trigger words, and they haven’t been propagandized on whatever specific topic, it’s really easy to convince them to agree with a lot of left leaning ideas.

They kind of are already taking the same tactic with refugees and immigrants.

That’s how you get a famine.

Here’s a reference for those who don’t recognize this.

kinda abstract, how about “Down to the Good Ol’ Countryside”?

For anyone else who didn’t get the joke, I already googled it and figured it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

If anyone is curious, I found it using, “Asian jump ahead” 😅

We’re taking all the glasses and killing the birds too right?

There are other jobs for them. Not politics.

While I get the frustration with current systems, forcing people to do anything—whether it’s military service, farm labor, or any other work—goes against individual freedom. In a free market, people choose the jobs that fit their skills and interests, which leads to more innovation and productivity. Forcing everyone into the same mold is just another form of government overreach. Anarcho-capitalism believes in voluntary interactions and the power of markets to self-regulate. Let people work where they’re best suited, not where the state dictates.

I don’t see well-paid civil service as a bad idea. Farming is a way of life, done right, and some of us like it and are willing. When a friend in Germany was about finished with Gymnasium (secondary school) was being faced with mandatory military or civil service. They chose civil, I forget what they did, probably something in IT field. It depends on need and ability what choices are available, but there were several options available and they didn’t hate the idea of a few. It prepared them for university, today they are living quite decently abroad, in the final stages of writing their dissertation. If the USA had this and did it correctly, (proper cool off breaks, hydration, well-paid with comprehensive medical), I see it as a boon with real life skills gained, money to start a life, and a more self-sufficient, yet interdependent society.

Would you feel differently if people who choose to serve have student debt forgiveness? Like, if the GI Bill covered participants?

Is it better to force poor people to work in farms to survive? In a world where a large number of ‘modern’ westernized countries have active military conscription for young people, I don’t see this as being worse than that, either. The thing with slavery, is that it is lifetime, unpaid, terrible conditions, based on a feeling of superiority, only for the targeted groups, etc.

Of course, the better solution is just to treat farm workers fairly and pay them well, and work on automation at the same time. But rich people were forced to work in farms too, the conditions would probably get a whole lot nicer for everyone involved, and it would probably create a pretty big incentive to start automation as well.

edit: to actually be fine, it would have to be run by the govt. on nationally owned farms, like schools are, for workers to be paid and well treated, and for rich people to not be exempt

When watching the TV Series The Handmaid Tales I kept thinking that things like their very heavy security appartus, military for the continuing seccession war and heavy use of dedicated manpower doing manual work in house chores (at least for the upper classes) would use too much manpower, taking it away from actual productive activities and thus making a modern nation level of life (in the material sense, not other senses) unsustainable, though Gilead could sorta keep going for a while drawing down on the wealth of the part of the US from were it was formed, before falling down to mid-XX century South American levels of wealth or worse.

However temporary slavery like this “national duty field work” might actually “solve” some of the agricultural production manpower shortage problems in such a society.

So it actually makes sense (in a sick way) that it’s appealing to the most extreme Fascist amongst the Republicans.

Where does it say you don’t get paid?

Also, in terms of understanding how things happen, this is definitely not a bad thing.

So many people take everything for granted. I worked a couple of years in agriculture. Long days, tough work. I will never look down on a farmer, and it thought me some neat lessons in life too.

No, the farmers design bridges and dams.

The engineers work in hospitals.

The doctors we shoot for being nerds.

Perfect society.

Edit: we also kill all the sparrows for some reason.

I so want to make a farmer, who likes to complain that comfy office jobs aren’t real work, work a phone support hotline for a year.