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    I can’t stand fight scenes where people are flying through the air at each other doing stupid poses and making sounds. They usually have some special power, and it’s all so meh.

    I really liked Pantheon and then cringed when it resorted to that near their end. There’s lots of exceptions, like princess mononoke.

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      One Punch Man mercilessly made fun of these things… one hero gets clocked one sentence into his “on the fly plan” mid-fight monologue.

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      It’s weird that the Japan - the country which arguably had the most positive global influence on how fight scenes are filmed and choreographed in movies has had a complete devolution in fight scenes in animation.

      Like look at this fight scene from Ghost in the Shell (1995). Look how calm and harmonic it is 99% of the time, followed by quick bursts of action.

      Or this scene from Evangelion (1999), Bebop (1998), Hellsing (1999).

      There are some memorable modern fights that push the envelope of animation in modern anime like, Madara Uchia from Naruto (2016), Mob Psycho 100 (2019) or Castlevainia (2021).

      But overall modern anime fights are composed mostly of flying, still images screaming “HEYAAA”, internal monologues and 3D explosions.

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    It’s like… I feel like I have to look up if there’s any weird stuff before I can get into any of it. Like I love fma (brotherhood ftw) and really enjoyed Death Note and some Netflix shows. But I couldn’t finish sword art online. I should have known when an early episode introduced a little girl voice trope character… Who was almost immediately attacked by tentacles.

    Sex stuff doesn’t bother me (laughed my ass off at the wild food war competition show) but the kid stuff is fucking weird. And it’s common enough that I stick to other media mostly

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      They are actually 10,000 years old but just happen to have a young body. It’s not a sleazy conceit at all.

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          Didn’t think I needed an /s on that statement but maybe I did!

          Honestly I do like anime but I have to turn a blind eye to the creepy/ecchi shit in order to enjoy some shows. It’s just a fucked up part of Japanese culture. A bit like how Ignition Remix is still a banger even though R Kelly is a monster.

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              Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Berserk (1997), Hunter x Hunter (2011), Ghost in the Shell (movie), Akira (movie), pretty much all of Studio Ghilbi.

              Apart from EVA those are fairly good for keeping the creepiness to a minimum. I think Berserk at least contextualises it as being part of a brutal universe in a GoT kind of way.

              Kill La Kill is probably the creepiest one I’d still say was good but it crosses the line a few times tbh.

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                love NGE. So weird. But wonderful too

                I’ve tried cowboy bebop twice. About five episodes. I know something is wrong with me. Next time I get sick I’ll try again.

                Never heard of Berserk

                Read some of hxh in shonen jump. Wow. Totally forgot I bought like a dozen of those over a decade ago. It seemed a little silly with the power levels of it’s the one i remember. I actually tried the show but lost interest when they were in a big tournament and started discovering they had like powers? Or that they could power up? Felt goofy. Should I stick it out?

                Ghost in the shell - been meaning to check this out

                Akira? The live action big eyed thing? I don’t remember hating that movie. But I don’t remember much at all it

                Studio Ghilbi is fun. I really wish I saw my neighbor Totoro before I was a grown ass man so I felt the magic more lol. I actually haven’t seen anything others but they have rave reviews. Occasionally my local theater shows the films and I’ve been trying to see the wolf howling castle or whatever it’s called

                Yeah - Context matters.

                Is Kill la kill the one my friend watches with the talking clothes? Cause I can’t, my dude. Hahaha

                Forgot to mention I enjoyed AOT. Saw one punch but thought it was too meta for me. My friend said it’s good because it plays on tropes. But idk. Sucks cause I LOVE that artist. He drew a series called Eyeshield 21 about a Japanese (American) football team. It was funny as hell but my goodness, that art is incredible. Yusuke Murata

                Ugh I’m gonna post some. It’s just so gah damn beautiful

                https://images.app.goo.gl/b31vLUCwFtBn1Ena8

                https://images.app.goo.gl/DJqQWvaxRf6wefNK6

                https://images.app.goo.gl/tDcgXkqtBnR8GKGq6

                https://images.app.goo.gl/irLVMeak8w1QgE158

                What were we talking about

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    I don’t think people straight up hate anime, nobody is going to pick up a remote and turn of the TV if they see somebody else watching it and angrily leave the room.

    It’s just, for the most part (and this is also true for non-animated movies or series), you’ve seen one you’ve seen them all.

    There are only so many times you can tell the story of boring guy gets put in fantasy land and is not boring anymore, or mysterious things happen at school and the afterschool mystery club has to solve them.

    So what do you do? You cling to what you know is good. Studios, directors, etc. If Miyazaki makes an anime movie you watch it, if Quentin Terentino makes an action movie you watch it. This is also partially why anime’s are less popular than mainstream movies and series. You can watch a movie solely because you like an actor/actress, regardless of whether they play the same character or somebody else. In anime, each new series has a new set of characters, so each time a new personal connection has to be built.

    Other than that, a good measure of “is this worth my time?” is pop cultural representation. Rule of thumb, if an anime spawns memes, it’s usually half decent.

    But just like with movies and series, there are timeless classics. Like, who hasn’t seen or at least heard of Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, Trigun, Dragon Ball Z, etc… Even my parents know Pokemon. Those have been around for so long and been shown on mainstream western channels during prime time slots, that they were impossible to miss. I think people who aren’t familiar with those are just not that interested in motion picture as a whole, regardless how its presented.

    I’d say without overeaching, anime’s can be put in just a few categories:

    • Artistic, Philosophical, Experimental, Parodies: Those are your Miyazaki films, Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion, One Punch Man, Full Metal Alchemist, Attack on Titan, etc.
    • Long running: Like, Pokemon, One Piece, Naruto, Dragon Ball, the Fate Series
    • Trying to sell you something: Again Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Gundam, Beyblade, etc.
    • Mass produced trash: All the ones where the title spreads 3 lines and tells you 90% of the story
    • Otaku soap operas: The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, the Monogatari series, Nagatoro, Komi-San

    But those categories are not evenly spread in appeal, quality and quantity. While the first 2 categories have barely any presence but arguably the most cultural impact, the later ones have the most presence but are individually culturally insignificant. But quality is harder to judge than quantity is to see. So people tend to see the mass produced trash and ignore the good stuff that is being overshadowed. With classical film, a movies intention can usually be discerned with just one look, if for example a modern movie is black and white, its usually artistic. But looking at things like Evangelion, or the Ghost in the Shell Series, you couldn’t guess the deep philosophical implications on first glance. People tend to see cutesy anime art style and associate it with either the mass produced trash, or shows made for children. What makes a film/series good is the intention and execution, if it happens to be animated this usually doesn’t take away from the underlying message. See old animated Disney Movies - Lilo and Stich is about Family Values, Monetary Struggles, Loss and Friendship. Adult topics packed in a medium that both children and their parents can enjoy.

    People tend to hate anime for the same reason they hate superhero movies, they see the overarching medium, but not the individual pieces. You can’t compare the significance of Iron Man 1 with Thor 2, or Infinity War with The Marvels, some of these movies are good in a vacuum, without the whole Cinematic Universe attached to them. Same goes for anime, some are simply good stories regardless of them being animated.

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    Not in the “hate” camp, but I’m very picky with anime. I recognize it’s a wide genre with tons of legitimately great productions.

    There’s a lot of anime stuff that just irritates me for reasons I’ve not been able to put into words other than “it makes me cringe from embarrassment.” Female characters that are less an interesting or fun character and more like an endless void of cutesy vibes and nothing more, the anime pratfalls to punctuate a joke, weird creepy stuff towards women, laughably edgy characters, changing art styles to something tonally clashing for comedic effect (only example I know off the top of my head is in Hellsing Ultimate, which I’ll admit I’ve only seen in the form of the abridged series), overtly blatant fan service, all the characters being teenagers, etc. Tropes like these tend to irritate me to the point of getting in the way of my enjoyment of a show and it kills a lot of anime for me.

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      Motherfucker preach!

      I like some Anime because I get bored with Hollywood, and I really just want something different, I hate most anime because the 16yo boy who is thrust into the role of the hero surrounded by attractive half naked women with huge tits and is constantly embarrassed but yet somehow manages to constantly save the day because reasons is even more played out than the NCIS writing room.

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    Because most of it uses overly simplistic characters. There’s no depth to them. They’re good because they’re good, they’re bad because they’re bad.

    No nuance!

    The stories are overly simplistic too.

    Not all of them are like this, but enough of them are that I’m just tired of the genre.

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      I have to agree with you. That is a very common trope in anime, sometimes they deserve it but most of the time they are Mary Sues, and it rankles me.

      That being said, it’s escapism, it’s fun, it’s like, what would I envision heaven to be like.

      That being said, I do wish writers would focus more on having actual problems to solve and that there would be real stakes in the storyline for the main characters to overcome where there is a real risk of loss.

      Being OP is super fun for one season but when season 2 rolls around it’s not fun anymore.

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      I disagree with you but you answered the question, so take your upvote.

      Still, anime is just a medium, and there is wide variety of content, some with simplistic characters, and some without.

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        Oh for sure, there’s some really great ones that don’t fit my generalisation.

        The problem is that too many do fit it. And all the biggest ones seem to.

        Anyways, you’re right.

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      To be honest, that sounds exactly like american comics/films.

      Why is he bad? Because he hates everything!!

      Kill him, he’s bad!!

      He’s good. Why? He killed guy that is bad!

      Etc.

      Gotta pander to the masses and exhausted people I guess.

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        Most western cartoons are self contained episodes tho, while there is a general recurring antagonist, the conflict has to arise, develop and be resolved within the same episode. Very rarely you get multi episode arcs. Sometimes you get overarching storylines as a driving force that span whole seasons, but the main conflicts remain episodic. Spongebob is still working in the Crusty Crab by the end of the show, Kim Possible is still fighting Dr.Draken and Shego by the end of the series, Homer is still working in a Nuclear Powerplant, etc…

        Anime is different in that regard because the story is laid out from start to finish usually over the course of 10-20 episodes. Whether the story has actual substance is a different question. But the thing is, anime can get away with an episode were nothing happens as long as it drives the plot towards a conclusion. But a children’s cartoon where for a full episode nothing interesting happens usually won’t even leave the storyboard.

        That’s why “filler episodes” are usually an eastern anime instead if a western cartoon trope.

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          And most of those episodic shows are just there for the humour. They don’t have an arc because they’re just there to make fun of something for 20 minutes and move on.

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        … while making its story exactly the style they are making fun of in the most boring way possible. feels like watching a regular shonnen.

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    I don’t but I hate anime that rely on awful tropes like exploiting underage girls or the typical sister incest stuff (I would say brother-sister but this also applies to sister-sister)

    I also find powerfantasy isekais boring

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      The Isekai thing is so fucking played out, Its possibly the laziest writing trope ever.

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        Funnily the only Isekai that was somewhat interesting and realistic “Drifters” still doesn’t have a season 2. It’s basically powerful and influential political figures and warriors from random time periods get transported into a medieval fantasy world after their death. All I want is to see is WW2 anime Hitler take over a fantasy kingdom and get killed by Ninjas, is that to much to ask for? It’s realistic in the sense that the main characters are 10 minutes into a fantasy land with magic and beautiful nature and of course they’re already started making guns and bombs.

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          Just because it can be done well doesnt mean it isn’t a shortcut around good writing for a LOT of these stories.

          It hands the writer a blank cheque for exposition and worldbuilding because the main character needs to have everything explained to them or figure everything out and it excuses any form of set up as to the how and why the character is in this situation.

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    I wouldn’t say I hate it, but I can’t watch it.

    I used to love it. I was obsessed in the early 2000’s. Then I went to college for animation, and learning about how that all works absolutely ruined all enjoyment for anime.

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    Never watched it because the characters all look creepy to me. I remember other kids watching “Speed Racer” back in the 70s, so I referred to as “that crappy Japanese animation style” until I learned the name for it when it really took off in the US after around 2000.

    I know that makes me something of a Philistine. I’m aware that it has a rich history and millions (billions?) of devoted fans.

    It still creeps me out, though.

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    Tropes, filler, sexualization, the need to categorize or name things and stick to that strict hierarchy (ie. power levels), and laat but not least, the surrounding culture. Probably some other stuff I’m not thinking of as well.

    Notably, the anime which doesn’t include these problems can reach some pretty high highs, because anime excels at motion and emotion.

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    I used to get Cartoon Network as a kid. I watched Outlaw Star and really enjoyed it. However, in one of the later episodes they crowbarred in a topless jacuzzi scene for no reason.

    That sums up my anime experience.

    I watched Dragon Ball Z and a bit of Gundam Wing but never really enjoyed them.

    I bump into Dragon Ball Z fans occasionally and they’re pushing 35 and have themed pillows etc. I think that is mad but I’ve met more than one person like that.

    I have no themed things in my house nor would in buy any.

    P.S. I enjoyed Samurai Jack and often say “Long ago in a different land” randomly to my partner.

    Any recommendations based on the above?

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      Try Noir. It’s a crime thriller about a pair of assassins who stumble into a conspiracy. Never tries to be sexy even though the leads are women in their early twenties. Has a bit of that Samurai Jack energy where there often isn’t much dialogue and it’s carried by action and the musical score. Also never went past cult classic status so you’re not likely to run into creepy fans. Or any fans, really.

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        crowbarred in

        I think when they said that, the implication was that there was no need for such. I.e. it interrupted the flow of the story and didn’t add anything useful, other than perhaps pandering to a certain crowd.

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          It was like corporate said “You’ve gone 6 episodes and we haven’t seen the antagonists tits. Spin the wheel… Add a hot tub to their space ship and have a bath scene for no reason.”

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    I get asked this question a lot, because I love many traditional Japanese cultures, but not anime. First of all, I don’t hate it, I still respect it, but it’s simply not my cup of tea.

    I often find it to be overstimulating and sexualized. someone said it’s like food with too much salt, that perfectly describes it for me. It’s just too over the top sometimes. The sexualization is also off putting. It’s a constant distraction from the plot and undermines the rest of the characters and story.

    I also don’t like the voice acting style, where it is again overbearing, especially for women characters. That’s not what people sound like. It’s way too high pitched and trying way too hard to sound “cute”.

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    The facial expressions and the constant noises. It’s like a food dish with too much salt, doesn’t matter what the other flavor is once you decide you can’t stand the overpowering vibe of the thing.

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      I’ve never heard it described better in my opinion. It’s perfectly fine for others, but for many it’s simply too overpowering.