At $700 you could build a pretty decent PC that would last a lot longer (3060 12gb, Ryzen 5 5600, 16gb of DDR4), and build a steam library that you’ll have 20 years from now. I’ve had the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for an easy 10; controllers don’t last that long. They’re reaching a point where there’s less and less of an actual argument for owning one.
build a steam library that you’ll have 20 years from now
How do you know that Steam will be around in 20 years?
Use GOG instead. The DRM-free game installers will outlive Steam :)
How do you know that Steam will be around in 20 years?
Use GOG instead, since the DRM-free game installers will outlive Steam :)
How do you know Windows will keep compatibility in 20 years? Valve money partially goes into Proton/WINE development and an evolution of that will absolutely be around in 20 years, just WINE was around 20 years ago already. CD Project doesn’t put any GOG/Cyberpunk money into breaking the Windows monopoly. (Also plenty of titles on Steam come without DRM because DRM is optional.)
My GOG games run great on wine, it just takes a bit more work to install them. Wine has better support for early windows games than windows does now.
CD Project doesn’t do anything to improve WINE, so spending money there is wasted.
How do you know Windows will keep compatibility in 20 years?
I didn’t mention Windows anywhere in my comment? GOG has Linux versions of games too, for games with Linux ports.
plenty of titles on Steam come without DRM because DRM is optional
That’s true - for the DRM-free Steam games, you can just keep a separate backup copy of the game files. They usually run fine without Steam installed.
Barely any game on GOG has a Linux port and CD Project enforces the Windows monopoly. GOG Galaxy only available for Windows, their own games only available for Windows, none of their massive resources put into improving WINE.
I was more successful running witcher 2 with the windows installer on the steam deck than with the linux one.
How many people actually download and store those installers though? I think GOG is awesome too but practically if you exclusively shop there you have the same problem unless you have a massive NAS on hand
How many people actually download and store those installers though?
… The hundreds of GOG-based torrents disagree with this sentiment. You don’t need EVERY person to store it. Just a handful of seedboxes can feed the world sort of thing…
Edit: But this does risk someone being malicious with the torrent of course…
I’ve still got my original installers and CD keys for Unreal Tournament 99 GOTY, Need for Speed Underground, Trackmania United, and a bunch of others, and even some DOS games, so there’s at least some of us that keep the installers. I have a few of them on USB hard drives I’ve collected over the last 25 years or so… I really need to move them onto my NAS. :)
I used to buy directly from the publisher though. Some of them still have working download links, for example Ubisoft/Nadeo still have a working download link for Trackmania United even though it’s nearly 20 years old now.
It’s kinda rich to plug Steam, where you also don’t own your games.
It comes pretty close to feature parity in terms of ownership. My kids can play my steam library on their own computers, I can play it on any machine I own, I don’t have to pay them any kind of rental fee, and they maintain my software for me.
Only thing I can’t do is what…sell my games to someone else? I don’t do that anyways.
I’m not betting on Steam disappearing in the next ten years. I probably wouldn’t even bet that they’ll disappear in my lifetime. But, they could, anything could happen, and then you don’t have that library anymore. Physical is the only way to truly own.
But, they could, anything could happen, and then you don’t have that library anymore. Physical is the only way to truly own.
That’s exactly my point. Steam has allowed me to OWN Half Life longer than I would have been able to with physical media. Those CDs don’t last that long. I’m not that careful.
So the balance is “own my own stuff and all the problems that come with keeping it pristine so that it continues to work, taking up space in my house” - or the infinitesimally small chance that STEAM goes belly up. Steam has allowed me to own my games for a lot longer than I could have kept them myself. So the argument of “oh they could go away!” doesn’t really hold any water for me. Especially for games with an online component (which is all of them now) – What’s the use of physical media when the game requires some servers that vanished long ago anyways?
That’s a strange point, imho. We disagree on what own means. You being bad with your physical media doesn’t mean you didn’t more truthfully own it. We will have to agree to disagree, have a nice day.
Well then you don’t own your home. With that argument, nobody does. Because the government has the ability to take your home from you, then you don’t own it.
Ownership has granularity to it. You’re failing to see the grey spaces in between, and only seeing black or white.
Well for Steam at least the library is independent of the hardware
Replace the 3060 with an equally-priced AMD card and you’ll actually get something decent for your money. Nvidia is horrible at these “lower” price points.
I mean, if you like horrible driver stability; sure. There’s a reason NVidia has like 75% of the market share, and it’s simply because they have a better product. Drivers are more stable, everyone develops for CUDA processing, lots of games only support DLSS for frame-gen, all of the GPU accelerated AI stuff is all NVidia centered, etc.
And something that can run PS3, PS2 and PS1 games!
I’m sorely disappointed that none of that fancy AI-powered Sony upscaling can be put to use to any of those old games.
I’ve had the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for an easy 10;
I guess it depends on frequency of use, but I’ve never had a mouse last ten years. I wear through the switch on the mouse button in less than that, starts to act unreliably.
Completely different strategy: the PS4 generation has produced a lot of games, sony could have stopped trying to compete with the high end PC market and gone in the Nintendo direction. Gives us new ways to access their library, give developers new tools to play with, release a 2nd mid-gen refresh and release a ps4 slim that is equivalent to the ps4 pro, encourage games for new ps4-slim and ps4 pro+. What do you think?
700 is insane. I guess I’ll wait for the PC release of Wolverine instead of playing it on the base PS5 then. Sony really shit the bed this cycle.
They got off to a great start with the PS5, but as their lead grew over their only real direct competitor, they became a good example of the problems with monopolies all over again.
This is straight up back to PS3 launch all over again, as if they learned nothing.
Right on the tail end of a horribly mismanaged PSVR 2 launch.
We still barely have any current gen only games, and a $700 price point is insane for such a small library to actually make use of it.
In the UK it works out as 913 USD.
Sounds like a lot more PC converts in the making.
It’s too expensive. $500 is already too much for these things.
But capitalism’s gotta capitalism.
If you think $700 is bad, it’ll be £700 in the UK.
Which is $913.
Also:
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median household income, UK (2022): £32,400 ($42,265)
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median household income, USA (2022): $74,580
A PS5 Pro is 26% of the typical UK household monthly income.
A PS5 Pro is 11% of the typical US household monthly income.
The US pricing is bad. The UK pricing is absolutely insane.
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$700 is actually probably a fair price for a PS5. You can’t really build an equivalent PC for less than that. $900 to $1,200 would probably be close to how much manufacturing the PS5 Pro costs.
But PSN subsidizes these costs, which is why these systems can be this “affordable”.
900 to 1200’s an insane guess. This many years out R&D’s sure to have chilled out and companies that buy parts by the millions get them at much lower prices than individuals, plus partner companies that kit out their facilities to manufacture those parts recoup their investments in those facilities over time as well. I’m sure Sony’s still taking a few bucks hit on the sale of a console but it’s nowhere near close to double.
the fuck you are smoking? my first desktop kost that much and it ran crysis really fucking good
These days a good GPU costs almost $700 just by itself, mid range is almost $500, value is $400, budget is $250
The 4060 or the 7600xt are about in the ballpark for the original ps5, but you can’t beat the price if you don’t already have a computer with most of the components
Better than a PS5 Pro? Bruh 😂
Adjusted to inflation and time, hell yes
I doubt it costs that much. You’re looking at it from buying PC components perspective. But they are mass producing identical boards with components that are 4+ years old by now, except the GPU. The cost of production is probably around the same as it was for non-Pro when it was released.
So I can’t play half the games I have, and the other half doesn’t need the extra console power. Yay. WOrtH iT.
Wow, was waiting on the pro to drop, but now I giess I’ll just pass the ps5 generstion altogether. This sucks ass.
The PS5 is good enough if you can afford one
You can buy a whole-ass computer for $700 and it won’t charge you a subscription fee just to turn it on.
Personally I think it’s only worth it if you have the standard ps4, if you have a PS4 Pro you’re not really getting all that much from the ps5. Graphics are a slight upgrade, still not actual 4K and the ram is nice but performance wise it’s somewhat similar, usually your biggest reason to jump from one generation to the next is exclusives and game availability, but the PS5 has been absolutely atrocious at trying to obtain games that work only for the Ps5, every big name developer out there is still making releases that work for both consoles due to the fact that there’s still so many people that are running the PS4. This is a very different outcome then when the PS2 and the PS3 was released where yes they still offered it for both consoles but two or three years after launch they had more or less left the console in the dust, and here we are almost 5 years later and they’re still making games for both platforms
Load times that don’t take ages with the internal SSD of the PS5 is a huge boon too
I haven’t really noticed much of a difference load time personally, but yeah if the game required massive load times it was shortened as well
Paystation
Sony has been on a roll with the boneheaded products nobody wants.
Ahhhh, so my ps5 is the most superior PlayStation still, good to know.
It’s not, but it’s the most reasonable purchase.
Hey Sony, I love you but you trolling?
ps6 gonna be discless
I think you have an extra s
Oh shit thank you!
*dicless
It was pretty much a given that this would happen, since there were already options with and without disc drives.
And obviously sooner or later gaming will probably move to an entirely online service like streaming.
It’s just a matter of time until the internet and worldwide coverage is ready for it. I always imagined that in a distant future we’d basically only buy a controller, that connects to an app that’ll let you stream. And every game will be in a subscription service like a Netflix.
Nah, they won’t do streaming cuz it’s too expensive.
Well, for now it is. Latency is also a big issue
No, it will always be more expensive to do streaming unless you run everything on crappy hardware
So what makes it pro?
Not having a disc drive.
Same as the PS4 Pro: it’s significantly more powerful, has more storage, can actually do RT well, etc.
The price seems crazy to me though.
E: it’s occured to me that the PS5 Pro pricing is likely a (comparatively small) release that they can test the waters for a $700 PS6.
If they release the PS6 for $700, it could backfire and compromise that entire generation, giving MS a foothold (we saw how MS ran away with the 360 when Sony botched the PS3 launch, and subsequently how MS lost all that momentum when they botched the XBone launch, and Sony ran away with the PS4).
If they test the waters with a PS5 Pro it doesn’t matter all that much if they have to capitulate and drop the price.
Don’t show Sony that the market is willing to pay $700. The PS5 Pro being accepted at $700 will guarantee a base PS6 at about the same.
Also explains why they raised the price on the normal PS5 - “Well, the Pro isn’t THAT much more…”
From what i heard, the ps5 doesn’t really have a problem with performance, unlike the ps 4.
“Significantly” Going by the comparison Sony felt large enough to brag about there’s hardly a noticeable difference
An uplift of ~45% in overall performance, ray tracing going from awful to decent, hardware-accelerated upscaling (like DLSS) isn’t “hardly noticeable” unless you don’t have eyes.
And more storage and WiFi 7 may not be as flashy (hah, SSD storage, flash-y), but they’re nonetheless improvements.
But, you know, if that’s not good enough for you, don’t get one. Nobody’s forcing you. I know I have no desire for one, (especially not for $700!) I’ve been console-free since my 360 had a red ring of death.
I think the trick is that the normal PS5 is already $450 (no disc drive) or $500 (with disc drive).
So do the features on the Pro version provide an extra $200 to $330 worth of value?
So far, as a PS5 owner, I’m not seeing it.
Only if you don’t have one already. Some of the more intense games graphically have shit upscaling so they shimmer. If higher internal resolution can fix this while running at good FPS, it might be worth it for some people
Remember that you still can’t build a gaming PC for $700 that performs similarly.
Pro revisions are the time to go crazy with outrageous prices since they’re not needed to be able to play any of the games. But if they try that crap with a base model, it’s PC Master Race time for me.
no disk drive and the fucking stand is sold separately! too expensive!
Sony went the apple way. Next stand will be brushed aluminium for mere $999…
Unfortunately, physical media for gaming died when always-online DRM was normalized. It doesn’t matter if you have a game on a disc when you have to phone home every time to use it. The corporation may still block your access.
One more step in ensuring no one owns anything. Lease or rent are your options.
That’s fine, I’ll just get better at sailing.
That’s why your favorite letter is R.
Lease and rent, or piracy.
