Police opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater, striking the man cops said was armed with a knife, two straphangers caught in the fray, and one of the firing officers, NYPD officials said Sunday.

One of those two passengers hit by the cops’ bullets, a 49-year-old man, was hospitalized in critical condition after he was hit struck in the head, according to the NYPD.

The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at an evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.

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    Ahh yes. Nothing like killing a perp and a few bystanders for a few dollars’ worth of fare. USA! USA!

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      They shot because the guy charged at them with a knife, not because of the fare. OP’s thread title is deliberately misleading, in a desperate attempt to twist this into ACAB fuel.

      Any bystander injuries are to be blamed on the aggressor Mr. Knifey.

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        They chased someone into a train over 3 dollars. There is now hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills, possibly over a million. Because someone “stole” a 3 dollar fare.

        How the police react to stuff is absolutely up for debate. This is why we stopped doing car chases.

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          If someone runs a red light, and a cop tries to pull them over to give them a ticket, and instead the guy jumps out of the car and tries to attack the cop with a knife and gets shot in self-defense, it is absolutely not accurate to frame that as “cop shot that guy for running a red light”.

          But this is what exactly the OP is trying to do. And that’s bullshit.

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            Police don’t chase for red lights anymore specifically because the damage car chases were doing was out of line with the civil infraction.

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              Don’t see how that’s relevant to anything. A police officer walking after another person, on foot, doesn’t have the potential for collateral damage that a car chase does.

              It is completely ridiculous to frame this as “police shot a man over $2.90”, when the shooting only happened after a verbal death threat, brandishing a lethal weapon, followed by an overt attempt to make good on that threat with that weapon.

              Only the most ACAB-addled mind would think it appropriate to frame the events that way.

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                A police officer walking after another person, on foot, doesn’t have the potential for collateral damage that a car chase does.

                Looks at the number of people that got shot.

                Obviously that’s not true.

                And all of that stuff with the weapon is based only on the police claims. The same police that won’t release the body camera footage.

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                  Looks at the number of people that got shot.

                  Obviously that’s not true.

                  Not as a result of two people walking, but as a result of someone brandishing a knife and attempting murder in a public place. Cringe goalpost move.

                  And all of that stuff with the weapon is based only on the police claims.

                  And all of what you’re saying is based on literally nothing but your hate boner for police, lmao.

                  The image released shows a knife clutched in the criminal’s hand. I’m sure he was strolling around like that very innocently and cops just opened fire on him for a laugh, right?

                  The straw-grasping is incredible.

                  The same police that won’t release the body camera footage.

                  Like it’d matter to your type. We have extensive hard video evidence of what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, all put online publicly mere days after the event, and there are still innumerable imbeciles claiming shit it directly contradicts happened, lol.

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                    Lol, you guys used the same argument about car chases. Just two cars driving. It’s an absurdist reduction.

                    And no it’s not based on hate. It’s based on the police being found to lie over and over again. Even with video footage available. They just aren’t credible. And you bending over backwards to defend them shooting into a crowd is repugnant.

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        The knife that mysteriously doesn’t show up on any footage and couldn’t be located after the fact?

        I know better than to believe police lies. It’s all they do. ACAB, no exceptions.

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        Until cops prove themselves trustworthy, I will assume they’re lying. They have a long way to go.

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      I know it’s like that by headline, but they repeatedly tried to subdue him and eventually he charged at them with a knife after having said “I’ll kill you”. I don’t know I would hesitate to stop him without my gun if he suddenly ran at me with a knife. I’m just thinking survival, instinctively, and not about bystanders around me in that moment.

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        If a guy doesn’t pay $3, has a knife and threatens the police -> mental problem. The answer isn’t shooting but handling the situation and deescalating.

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        Ok, so these people are too incompetent to win a 4v1 against an untrained opponent? Is this better somehow?

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        I’m just thinking survival, instinctively, and not about bystanders around me in that moment.

        Kind of fair point for yourself.

        However I expect more of a trained professional who has repeated firarms training. They should be sesitized to controlling their direction of fire even in an emergency.

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          It really is bizarre how many people seem to just accept lower standards for police than for random Joe gun owner off the street. It’s not confusing though; it’s just another facet of the great team sport of society for many people.

          If we’re supposed to value and respect our police, maybe we should actually expect good things from them!

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          That’s not even the point. The training should have taught them how to de-escalate the situation, or even let it go. They transformed a 3$ fare skipped into a massacre, how’s that normal?

          It’s 3$, if he has a knife, just let him go, it’s not worth the risk. You’ll track him down later and get him without killing him, passerbys and other cops.

          You don’t need to drop a nuke because there’s a pickpocketer somewhere in the city

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      They stopped him for a few dollars’ worth of fare.
      They shot him for charging at them with a knife.

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        The uniformed duo followed the alleged fare-beater up the stairs to the elevated L train platform around 3 p.m., when they gave him commands to stop and turn around. Maddrey said during a verbal altercation, they “became aware of a knife.”

        Body-worn camera footage, which Maddrey said he reviewed before the press conference, allegedly showed the man make a verbal threat to the officers. He told the cops, “I’m going to kill you if you don’t stop following me,” the chief said.

        As the encounter continued to escalate, a northbound L train pulled into the station. The train cars opened and the man jumped inside, according to police.

        Where is this knife charge mentioned?

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          Maddrey said the officers followed the man, each firing a Taser which proved ineffective in subduing the man. He then exited the train while it was still at the station and charged the officers with the knife, the chief said.

          it was the next sentence from what you copied lol

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            So this guy charged at them, then got tased and then got on a train car and got away… right

            Was he on the limitless pill maybe? Maybe that’s secretly why they chased after him so hard?

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        We’ll see if that story pans out, I’m sure the body cam footage is coming any minute…

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          The statement by the Department Chief literally references that there is body cam footage, that is the source of information for the statement.

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            No no no. They mean the footage being released for public scrutiny. The police have lied about the body camera footage before.

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      This has been an ongoing problem in the city. Fuckin Mayor Officer Landlord has been dumping millions into multiple cops sitting on platforms, on their phones, watching for people jumping the 2.90 fare. Which they just raised from 2.70. They’re more than spending what they’re hypothetically losing on fare jumpers. Neoliberal capitalist bullshit in action.

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        Meanwhile in Albuquerque we’ve made buses free because the fare infrastructure costs more than to run the buses.

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      I think if people had even more guns this could have been avoided. What if there was a six year old with a 22 there to respond to the gunshots with some of his own? maybe less people would be dead.

      Guns make everyone way safer. We need to start providing them in utero.