• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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      In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone. “You should have an easy way to kill someone on you at all times, and keep it hidden so they don’t know” is not self defense, but clear signs of a dystopia.

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        Especially when it causes law enforcement to become so paranoid of the citizens they’re ostensibly meant to protect, that a mere hailstone landing on the car roof immediately causes them to believe they’re being fired upon.

        That just sounds like a terrible time for everyone involved.

        At that point, you’re basically turning the constabulary into soldiers.

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          If citizens have a “Constitutional Right” to have a gun, why does exercising the right so often result in law enforcement killing them without a trial?

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        In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone.

        My back is fucked and have an 80% rating from the VA. I’m not getting into fist fights anymore.

        If someone gets blown away stealing shit, the world has become a better place, frankly.

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            Fascism is when you don’t let people steal your stuff.

            The word has been devalued on Lemmy but this is a new low.

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              I was referring to summary execution of a thief being a good thing.

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          “Property is more valuable than human lives.”
          A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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            “The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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                And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

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                    Me.

                    And my wife, and daughter. People that, without the use of arms, will always be the weaker given it’s usually men who commit these crimes.

                    You’re missing the point - this tool takes physical strength out of the equation for self defense purposes and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing.

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                There are a lot of disingenuous replies in this comment section but I’ll just go on explaining as if you actually don’t understand.

                The rating comment was meant to demonstrate that I am not at my peak physical condition and am more vulnerable than my outward appearance portrays.

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                  What I mean is you participated in the military, therefore more likely to have skewed values in favour of “extended” srlf defense. Because the whole military justifies its endless butchery on rights of self defense and their ceaseless expansion.

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                  People should be confined to boxes full of packing foam. This reduces the variable and permits police to control the situation more easily.

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              You’re talking about things like it’s obvious they are just important as lives. Fucking disgusting

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                You’re expecting me to value people who steal shit.

                And before this goes in a disingenuous direction, no, I don’t mean stealing bread from a damn grocery store.

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                Uh, no. There are quite a lot of laws governing when deadly force is allowed which vary by country and state. I’m quite sure none of them allow it when someone “bothers you”.

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                  There’s also laws governing what constitutes theft. Your entire argument about needing a gun is dependent on people not following the law.

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                    Yeah the people stealing shit are… different people and not me?

                    What is your point?

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        No, being limited in self defense to the power of your body is a pre-civilized state. Asking women to punch people to defend themselves is nature rules. That’s where whoever’s biggest gets to take advantage of people.

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          I have no problems with people carrying mace for self defense. There are highly effective less lethal options.