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Let’s just start with the fact that American political system is super skewed to begin with and no actual left has any power.
Dems are highly pro-capitalist, moderately nationalist and merely call to strike a bit less horrible balance between the interests of people and businesses. This is not left, this is a bit better right.
This fallacy keeps people trapped in an idea that the only possible options are “good” ultra-capitalism and “greedy” ultra-capitalism, which is not true.
People that try to have “both sides heard” totally ignore that there are way more than two angles in this conversation and that Dems are not some sort of a political extreme. Reps, ironically, kinda are.
And Democrats often think they vote for something actually good, when it’s actually just a lesser evil. Keep that in mind, no matter what you decide.
Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten, and vote accordingly. Bothsiders are the brainless, egotistical tools of the far right, going along with normalizing fascism because they don’t want to think too hard.
… and because they want slaves back. The right is focused on having women-slaves and immigrant-slaves. Take away rights, invent crimes, jail, enslave.
That’s because slavery is great for the
economycapital-hoarding class.
#BothSiders often end up repeating Republican talking points
Of course the both sides argument comes from the right because America has no left
Found one!
and I woulda gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for you meddling kids
Not with any sort of majority aspirations, that’s for sure.
Thanks for saving me the effort of pointing this out.
“Yeah, I don’t agree with his racism, but I can’t support post-partum abortions by feeding babies to coyotes so we can afford to pay for 25 billion illegals to stay in the Ritz Carlton like the Democrats do. #BothSides”
Often? I’ve never seen it NOT that way, and I’m a huge fan of nuance. With them, I just can’t see any justification for that argument.
“I’m no Trump supporter, but…” is the new “I’m no racist, but…”.
Damn this hits. I’ve worked with a lot of guys who “don’t vote, don’t pay attention” that are defacto conservative in their beliefs.
Because if you don’t pay attention you simply are ok with the status quo which is inherently conservative.
Most men in general are by default conservative because society was kinda built around prioritizing men’s feelings/sensibilities. Of course equality for all feels like being oppressed if your normal is privilege.
It’s the media, not the people. If you read the same article from sources across the political spectrum, you’ll find the further right you go, the more information is omitted and the more opinionated the journalist becomes. So, someone who reads primarily right wing and centrist media will naturally have a right wing opinion when reading centrist articles.
While this is true, people still bear responsibility for the media they choose to consume. People wake up every day and decide to get their information from liars and grifters, because they prefer the way lies feel. It isn’t as if they don’t have options. Now, media literacy is definitely a problem. But the only solution is education, and that’s a silver bullet too slow to save us from all the extant ill-educated mooks.
I agree. Many people make the mistake of getting their news exclusively served through algorithms. They see a very skewed painting of the world based on what they’ve shown interest in previously.
Yeah, I’m not buying the “your opinions are just biases” argument. I don’t deny the influence of past experiences, I just believe humans are more nuanced than that.
Opinions are absolutely subjective, but the content they’re based on is also skewed.
If all of the news you consumed was curated through an engagement algorithm, it would change the way you see the world. Your opinions would be based on that perception.
Now you’re just describing human perception. That’s not really remarkable. And, still, there’s a lot more to it, such as the sum total of experiences a person has.
I still think this concept is being oversimplified quite a bit.
This perfectly describes how the Far Left sees everyone else.
Not sure who you’re taking about, America has a right wing party and a far right wing party.
“From MY point of view the Jedi are evil!”
It’s all about perspective, and some perspectives are more reasonable than others. Saudi Arabia likely views the US as having a left wing and a far left wing party.
I think it’s reasonable to call Democrats centrists with a slight lean to the left, compared to parties globally.
Saudi Arabia likely views the US as having a left wing and a far left wing party.
[X] doubt
They wouldn’t have given Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars or financed Musk’s takeover of Twitter if they weren’t ideologically aligned.
I think this is a really neat insight into your psychology, that you can’t fathom the idea of allying with someone who doesn’t agree with you on every single point.
Everything is relative.
Thanks for proving my point.
The only point being proven here is your complete lack of political education. I’m not American and it’s crazy that you can look at the policies of your democratic party and call that left wing. You still have to go pretty far left from that to even hit something resembling centrist politics.
literally just watched a video where a guy starts off calling himself a “moderate” then proceeds to call himself a “maga patriot” The problem is the far right is never honest about who they are and what they want because they know it sucks.
Agreed. Doesn’t negate my point though. Extremists usually view those closer to the center as on the other side of it.
I don’t think most leftists see themselves as centrists. In fact, I can’t even think of an example to fit that case.
Yeah. The issue with that is that there zero evidence to confirm that they’re correct in seeing things that way. Whereas there is ample proof virtually EVERYWHERE to illustrate how leftists incessantly bark about bOtH siDeS!
“As an independent gay black man…”
Interestingly enough I always did research on both candidates right up to Romney. And I always voted blue. There are people out there who don’t like either party and aren’t on the right.
That doesn’t mean you’re neither left nor right
You’re correct, I’m on the left.
Everytime I have a discussion with someone who says “both sides are the same”, they always end up voting right. I ask if both sides are the same why not vote left?
Deep.
Everybody votes right-wing in usa. There are no left-wing candidates just liberals.
Oh, it’s about the American political system. Well it’s broken anyways, so that explains the many comments lacking any nuances.
After the VP debate, I was stuck under two babies and couldn’t get up before CBS did it’s spin room coverage and fake analytics. During their focus group of 6 undecideds, I nearly fucking lost it when one said “I like that Vance said he’s pro-family”.
This shit repeated on my stream I was watching several times and I inevitably woke up my 8mo having to get to the computer before every last drop of my sanity was gone.
“pro family” and “family values” might be the most vomit inducing dogwhistle in politics.
If your response to a call to ethnic clensing is ‘‘well… let’s meet them half way’’ you aren’t a moderate centrist.
Please describe someone who could be considered neither left nor right. Is it possible you are viewing the absence of left-wing qualities as being right-wing?
Anyone claiming to be undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024 is full of shit.
When the whole world is USA!
The whole world is inundated with news about the election, looking on in horror at the fact that Trump, in spite of everything has a 50/50 shot at the presidency. The fact that he remains viable is one of the worst enditements possible on the US government and people.
Yeah - we see you guys, and we’ve decided.
Worst indictments
I dunno. English…
Oof - yep - I was way off on that one - thanks.
I’ll leave that as-is though.
MTG would have called it an indication.
But as a northern neighbor to this clown party, I cannot agree more.
Stop fucking around, the USA! You’re supposed to model this shit for everyone! You want some other countries’ movies to get more popular than yours?!
You mean other people outside the US can’t educate themselves, if they care to, about trump?
No its fine! But the whole world has left and right in their political spectrum, yet every comment in here is about USA (and one(?) about France)
Well, yes…this instance and community are full of Americans, so that’s the viewpoint the comments will revolve around.
Please do offer your country’s difficulties with right wing politics instead of a sarcastic comment. The more we all know of nationalist, populist, and theocratic fascists trying to make inroads around the world the better.
I’m undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024, I can’t tell if they’re brutally evil or evilly brutal.
I’m a centrist. I say they’re brutally evil AND evilly brutal, and I would even add the hot-take as an ENLIGHTENED centrist that they’re probably also stupid.
