• I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    Doesn’t matter, go fucking vote. Vote like your life depends on it; depending on your demographic that could very well not be hyperbole. Vote like it’s a terrifyingly close election, because despite all the polls and the analysts, this election is still going to come down to razor thin margins. It is VERY hard to compete with the sheer fanaticism of Trump’s base; a large number of them literally think he’s the Messiah or that Harris is the antichrist so they feel justified in all sorts of batshit actions.

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    18 hours ago

    Won’t make a difference. SCOTUS will hand the presidency to Trump regardless of outcome.

    Edit: Since when has this SCOTUS ever shied from doing something it “can’t”? Roe v. Wade. Presidents are kings. Church as state. Vote anyway, I am, but they’re trying a second coup and they might well succeed this time. You can all apologise for not listening after they do it.

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      18 hours ago

      SCOTUS can’t overrule an election outcome unless there is contention and proof. Won’t happen. Her numbers are too good, and that’s taking into account that polls only reach old people.

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        SCOTUS can’t overrule an election outcome unless there is contention and proof

        They can do whatever the fuck a majority of them wants. That’s why Mitch McConnell considered stacking the courts much more important to his legacy than electoral success.

        The way the broken system works, they have the final say on ANYTHING and can only be overruled by the by now impossible constitutional amendment process.

        No matter how nonsensical or blatantly corrupt their reasoning, their judgment is effectively final.

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          If SC tries to force an illegitimate Trump presidency down our throats there will be hell to pay. Biden might also need to use some of his newly-acquired presidential immunity superpowers and ship the SC to Antarctica to do science research for the rest of their tenure.

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            If SC tries to force an illegitimate Trump presidency down our throats there will be hell to pay

            There should be but there won’t. Just like when they forced an illegitimate Bush president down people’s throats in 2000 and the powerful ignored the millions decrying THAT injustice.

            Biden might also need to use some of his newly-acquired presidential immunity superpowers and ship the SC to Antarctica to do science research for the rest of their tenure.

            Even if he’d ever do such a thing (or indeed ANYTHING that violates the rules and norms that Neoliberals consider much more important than any outcomes of following or breaking them), they made sure that what constitutes “official acts” is up to the SCOTUS themselves, thus effectively making any executive overreach by Biden just as illegal as before and any by Trump the law of the land.

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              SC rulings from Antarctica aren’t gonna hold much more weight.

              This isn’t Bush vs. Gore, this would be an insurrection against democracy and that will be plain to see to the majority of Americans.

              In any case, just fucking vote folks.

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                This isn’t Bush vs. Gore, this would be an insurrection against democracy

                As was Bush v. Gore.

                that will be plain to see to the majority of Americans.

                As was Bush v. Gore.

                You’re simultaneously underestimating the establishment’s ability to wag the dog and overestimating how willing the Dem leadership are to fight against great injustices, especially ones that are technically within the obsolete guidelines established in the 1700s.

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                  It wasn’t an insurrection. The sentiment was “whatever, there’s always the next election”. And eventually we voted Obama in. That’s how the resilience of democracy is supposed to work. A shit hand one election doesn’t doom the country for eternity because when people get sick enough of it they can change things and vote differently. That was clearly Gore’s sentiment as well when he conceded to keep the country moving.

                  That sentiment no longer exists. This is different. Conceding is not some patriotic sacrifice to keep the country moving. It is the end of democracy and there is no coming back.

                  Neither of us really know how things will manifest, but this is not 24 years ago, the stakes are higher and the situation is far different.

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        Bush v. Gore. Contention, no proof. Since when has this SCOTUS ever shied from doing something it “can’t”? Roe v. Wade. Presidents are kings.

        Sorry bud, it’s not looking good, and believe you me will I be voting. But it’s not even a question that they’re trying coup 2.0.

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            Uh-huh. Ignore everything else that’s happened just this year, then. Ignore all the obvious preparations they’ve been making, how they’ve stacked the courts. It’s gonna work out great.

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            18 hours ago

            It is exactly the same thing. Jeb Bush and W. Bush’s campaign manager rigged the vote in Florida, same as Trump loyalists will do this cycle.

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      9 hours ago

      “apologize for not listening” in your view, what difference does it make whether we listen or not, and why should we apologize? As you said, “won’t make a difference” right?

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        Because I’m right, and there are downvotes. People use the downvote button to disagree, so they are wrong, because what I said is a fact 🤷‍♀️

        There is a massive, concerted effort by the right wing to take over or government, and nobody seems to care enough to stop them, so they’re probably going to pull it off this time.

        And I’ll want an apology - when I’m right and not before - because I’ve had a really hard day. I answer questions all day, and get told I don’t know what I’m talking about when I do, and then I have to explain why I’m right every single time. I always get told I don’t know what I’m talking about, and then I turn out to be right.

        I was looking for a couple of events, and one of them was the court making Trump above the law. I didn’t think there was any way that could work, because they’d have to ignore the Constitution. But here we are, so all bets are off and I don’t have any hope the good guys will win anymore.