cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601
“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”
Reads like a bloody Onion article.
said Biden privately
You literally just gave a fucking press conference.
I don’t know how he would ever have expected anything different from Netanyahu. It’s not like this is the first time he failed to show the “restraint” Biden pleaded for (while simultaneously providing him with an unlimited supply of weapons).
I like Joey for a lot of things, but his handling of Israel is not one of them. The words simply don’t match the actions. They might decry Israel’s actions but quietly they’re giving them the go-ahead.
Do I detect a nuanced opinion. You do realize you’re posting on the Internet about American politics right?
Liberals can have a little genocide, as a treat. They’ve lost so much weight since segregation!
Right? Though I’ve often found those statements to be used to imply you can’t vote for the party because it’s a “treat”.
My intended joke was poking at this and it either didn’t come across or really hit a nerve based on the votes.
Joey?
When this originally leaked months ago (almost a year actually), people were getting down voted for saying Biden was just mad that Netanyahu was making him look bad in PR.
A “bad guy!” My word, Mr. President, what next, we’ll stop sending them money? Have some decorum.
I’m surprised biden could call netanyahu anything when his mouth is firmly glued to his ass.
Because he is. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck
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So an interesting thing about the Israeli military, they empower all levels of the command chain to make decisions to complete the mission.
It leads to this interesting situations where top leader can claim complete ignorance and the mission was completed.
Look up the big brain little brain stuff.
I’m interested to know what country you come from where this isn’t standard? Do you find that that lack of flexibility is culturally just in the military there or present in your countries government and corporate cultures as well?
It’s been well reported on that Russia doesn’t work like that, with junior officers unable to use initiative and the whole system being very slow to respond to changing events. The reason it operates like this was shown when they did try having a more independent unit, which resulted in the Wagner Group mutinying.
Yeah that’s the same way the US military operates to varying degrees.
That’s standard in Western militaries. It means units aren’t paralyzed by unexpected circumstances while they wait for communication to go up and down the chain of command, and it improves resilience if communications or senior officers are incapacitated.
And yet the Nuremberg defense is no defense at the Hague. Go figure.
This country is 1,000,000 Onion Articles in a trenchcoat.
In a trenchcoat, naked, flashing children in a schoolyard, yes.
The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake “leaks” as well, and pretend to be “upset”. As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.
yeah it couldn’t possibly be that international relations in the highly contentious middle east make the problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides that the players are ideologically driven maniacs who will never accept any form of compromise because without the unwavering support of their hardcore adherents they won’t remain in power.
I’M SURE THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH IT.
You know if these assholes - both sides - would stop listening to their imaginary friends and look at the reality on the ground, we might have a chance.
As is, we’re fucked until one of these gaggles of idiots sets off a nuclear war.
but mmm yeah blame both sides, you’re just looking at both sides on the wrong side of the fucking planet.
If you think what’s happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature you have absolutely no clue what’s going on. The state of Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine land for decades. They have concentration camps filled with Palestinians where they commit rape and torture.
Palestinians are fighting for freedom from oppression, they are not fighting for religious beliefs.
Biden and the American government have been supplying a terrorist state with weapons as they actively commit a genocide. That’s why people are pissed. Biden is literally giving weapons to a fucking war criminal.
If you think what’s happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature
I argue it couldn’t happen WITHOUT the influence of monotheistic madness.
Pray tell, without the religious fervor on all sides, how long would any of it last? for fucks sake, be realistic
edit: and your thesis, that Palestine is fighting a purely secular battle - is absolutely absurd. Explain the atrocities on oct 6 without theology, it doesn’t make you seem better, it’s damning.
ffs people, stop with the silly fucking excuses
You’re building a straw man, you’re the one asserting that religion is solely to blame when it’s just a tool that’s being applied as part of a larger more complex problem.
This situation could just as easily have a secular socialist resistance fighting the colonizer, similar to some of the Kurdish resistance groups fighting ISIS and in Syria.
The reason for the conflict is that a colonizing state operating an apartheid government is committing genocide on the people living there to expand their control and territory. Illegal settlements aren’t there because of Judaism they’re there because of imperialism.
Religion is being exploited on both sides as an excuse and to motivate the people, but it’s not the root cause.
Illegal settlements aren’t there because of Judaism they’re there because of imperialism.
facts disagree.
“The outpost builders are often driven by an ultra-hardline ideology that demands Jews populate all of Palestinian land and force Palestinians out.”
Two thirds are ideologically motivated - Haredim or Zionists. https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/
How do you go from secular motivation to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag_attack_policy
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hardliners-violently-expel-palestinians-to-expand-israeli-settlements-in-west-bank Eiyar insists the violence is caused by Palestinians refusing to accept what she sees as her biblical right to live on this disputed land, which they call Judea and Samaria, and that the only solution is for as many Israelis as possible to move here.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT MADNESS WITHOUT RELIGION?
BIBLICAL RIGHT?
So please, provide evidence it’s all secular. Religion is the root, it’s fucking rotten, it’s infected the entire region, and it’s only going to get worse.
You’re painfully ignorant. Nobody is saying religion isn’t a factor, you’re saying it’s the only factor.
We get it you’re an enlightened atheist, but that doesn’t mean things aren’t more complex
I’ve provided evidence for my thesis. all you have are insults and posturing.
have a great day.
the west has nothing to do with it they just simply set up the settler colonial apartheid state and gave it infinite weapons and constantly protect it from any retaliation.
oh yeah the guys with the colonial settlements aren’t religious at all huh?
lolwtf
They also wear shoes maybe the shoes are to blame.
As it always was and always has been, religion is used as a tool and an excuse but it’s not the root cause.
if shoes caused people to hate and murder each other that argument would make sense.
religion is the lever, put to the work of violence by amoral people, an easy task when they each assert theirs is the only way.
pfft. shoes.
a simple explanation for a simple mind
I’ll take that as a compliment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_razor
“The simplest explanation is usually the best one.”
all the tiny brained downvoters, looking at the simplicity of life and saying “no, that needs jeebus!”
mojofrododojo, You should do some reading about how and why Hamas was formed. It was formed with Israeli and Russian help to fight the PLO and the two state solution mandated by the UN. It was initially formed to be nonreligious but Israel insisted it be religious.
"…Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”"
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
This was always about shattering Palestine, taking their land, and using the vagaries of religious conflict as an excuse no one would dig too hard on.
lol I’ve been reading about Palestinian history for decades. you schmucks bought the british bullshit about the land being yours. and instead of cohabitating in peace, each side chose to murder people. over and over again. you build a settlement, they blow something up, you burn down their farms, they assassinate somebody. it never ends because both sides are certain god is with them.
it will never end as long as both sides keep listening to their invisible friends.
What religions do Ukrainians and Russians practice? I thought they were similar.
You fall right into that “pick a side and get in line to accept whatever their consultants want or get bribed to do” fallacy. If every Dem had pressured the dem leadership by voting uncommitted, the dem leadership would have known they were going to lose and changed course. But people like yourself take whatever slop falls on the floor and call that dogs dinner enough of a democracy. Thats Pathetic.
feel free to vote for Trump if you think that’s better. Or there’s always Jill Stein.
Meanwhile, in reality, you assholes are gonna keep the fight going until one side makes the other side glow in the dark, that’ll improve things IMMENSELY.
Glowingly pathetic.
you assholes are gonna keep the fight going until one side makes the other side glow in the dark
wow thats insightful mojofrododojo, yes–its obviously Jill Stein voters and progressives who are to blame for the war in the middle east. Dont forget the youth as well, those scumbags.
/s
oh you see a peace coming any time soon?
explain it to me then. how do you de-escalate? israel wants to kill as many as they can in palestine, gaza, hell now lebanon, 40k+ dead, how do you get people to stand down after that?
pffttt… wake up child.
Israel? One way or another, by sanctions, threats, politics, or actual boots on the ground, they have to be countered by force. That means a French/Spanish/Turkish (or someone else, but it almost has to include the French) contingent a few miles in from the Lebanese/Israeli border with their guns pointed in Israels directions and orders to fire if they are fired upon. And submarines ready to fire as well. And then a blockade by allied countries with a demand that the Israelis stop the murdering and land grabbing. I dont think the US would fire on the French. And once a credible force was in play, some of the middle east might consider an oil embargo to help. The Egyptians wont take up arms, but they might be persuaded to close the Suez to axis (the Israelis and their allies) ships.
Visas to citizens of Axis countries has to be curtailed as well for American citizens to wake up. That will be difficult but possible. Cut off Europe as a holiday destination and Americans will notice.
Whats your solution, just keep giving Israel whatever they want and deal with the refugees from the area? Or just let the goyim all die? I bet you have no plan at all and just exist here to troll. Lets see.
nothing is going to change as long as each side is letting their holy ideals lead them into war.
both sides.
but get rid of bibi tho, that’s a first for any progress.
problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides
No actually, its the nakba. Its always been about the nakba and the murders done because of it. For 800 years of the existsnce of the ottoman empire the jews and muslims got along perfectly well in the middle east, and that ended when the ottoman empire was disolved after WW2… So history shows us your idea isnt true.
yeah that explains everything. so why did religion hold so solidly through the ottoman empire then fall apart after it’s stability left?
why did the sunnis and shiites start murdering each other after saddam ran?
maybe without some very powerful base to threaten both sides into compliance, they can’t help but murder each other. because their religion commands it.
the UK sold palestine twice. once to the Palestinians and then to the zionists.
and those two couldn’t fucking make a paradise out of it, no, they had to start killing each other immediately.
put up or shut up motherfucker.
No shit, Joe!
When do politicians realize that Israel needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs Israel?
When AIPAC looses it’s sting
100% agreed. There are no US bases in Israel except a single radar base in the negev with 12 people in it, and a desk inside an israeli military base with 2 people in it. We dont even resupply our navy in their ports. It was big news in 2016 when we did it once. We have joint air bases just miles from the border of Israel and Jordan that we and Jordan and Britain operate our air force out of. Similar situation in Cyprus.
We have no need of Israel as an “ally” at all, and they have never been useful in any of our military operations in the middle east. They are pure baggage and always have been. To add to that, all their nuclear material that they built their nukes out of was stolen from inside the US. They dont even bother to deny it. No one cares.
The anger at the US by middle eastern people has always been about the abuse and colonization in Gaza. Bin Laden claims he attacked on 9/11 because of the injustcies in Gaza, but we all bought Bush’s idiot line that “they hate us for our freedoms”. But that colonization has never been necessary or right. Its always been in support of zionist religious land theft goals. We have middle eastern problems and conflict because the Israelis want to steal land. Thats the long and short of it.
There are intelligence briefs that we get from Israel, and the money we give them tends to boomerang right back into the US military-industrial complex.
OTOH, Israel collapses in a week without US support. Maybe politicians should realize this and use it to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.
There are intelligence briefs
Those arent worth the cost of complicity in israeli crimes and 80 years of making literally billions of muslim people angry at us. We are destroying the entire western alliance with this and it will lead to the fall of the UN, wars, Global loss of soft power for the US, and probably the state of Israel nuked. I’d guess the middle eastern people would prefer to live next to a smoking radioactive crater rather than a group of violent criminal psycopaths. Its aimple human nature to eliminate such threats.
This “intelligence” is not worth even a small portion of that cost. And are you suggesting that feeding the endless military industrail complex is in US interests? it isnt. It only benefits the rich. The rest of the world finds other things to do with their industrail output besides creating bombs that kill and massively pollute.
