It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

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    6 hours ago

    Superb straw man there.

    1. Some people are spouting these right wing talking points about voting because they’re left wing and have been duped.

    2. Some people are spouting these right wing talking points about voting because they’re right wing and doing the duping.

    3. Some people who are spouting these right wing talking points about voting are Americans.

    4. Some people who are spouting these right wing talking points about voting are not Americans.

    5. Some people who are spouting these right wing talking points about voting are not very clever.

    6. Some people who are spouting these right wing talking points about voting are clever.

    You claim that half of these couldn’t possibly exist, because for some reason you think that only Americans approve of Trump, you believe that only Americans want to influence the American election and you characterise all Trump supporters as dumb rednecks or something more offensive, then I point out the even ones exist and you claim I’m a conspiracy theorist. Wow.

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      You claim that half of these couldn’t possibly exist

      Nowhere did I claim this. Kind of funny that you strawman me right after accusing me of strawmanning you.

      A conspiracy theory is not something that is impossible to be true, it’s just implausible. It could be that the checkout clerk at my local grocery is an undercover FBI agent, why couldn’t it? It’s just that there’s no evidence for it and it would be pretty unreasonable to assert that, especially if there was no possible way to falsify it.

      I could just as easily claim that you’re working for US intelligence, I’d have just as much basis. But I’m not a paranoid conspiracy theorist, so I don’t. By Occam’s razor and the principle of charity, I assume that you simply believe other things than me. That concept of people having different beliefs and values seems to be something that liberals simply cannot grasp - as if there’s one obviously correct position and everyone else is either stupid or being deceived by bad actors. It’s quite silly.

      I don’t espouse any “right wing” positions, and I don’t generally see other people on here doing the same. My criticism of liberals is from a leftist perspective, grounded in leftist values and theory, and drawing from leftist intellectual traditions. It’s just that liberals want to lump anyone who disagrees with them on anything for any reason as right wing in order to discredit and dismiss them.