And yet, here we are. How is this even a choice?
Because nothing is real, everything is a game, and us poors are just pieces.
Her unwaivering commitment to genocide and corporate donors, flip flopping on major issues and her gratification of Dick Cheney
Everything you said is Donald trump. And he’s a convicted rapist, insurrectionist, conman, serial liar and everything else in the image. Again, how is this even a choice? Or do you consider chocolate and shit equivalent?
Okay. No where did I ever say I was voting Trump. It’s just feeble minds can’t imagine any other scenario.
If Harris started saying “from the river to the sea” at her rallies, she’d drop 10 points overnight. If she was still for a ban on fraking, she’d lose Pennsylvania by 10 points. Cheney is really a waste of energy but a non- factor.
Being against genocide in Gaza is a populist statement and position. So are things like sensible regulations and remembering what happened in Flint, Michigan. This whole, “you must either be for genocide or an antisemite” claim you got going on isn’t a good look.
And no one has done the polling in the Harris camp… the first priority is to protect our democracy. We won’t be able to do anything about helping the Palestinians if Trump is elected. But I am sure you’ll be happy you stuck to your moral high horse when millions of undocumented are put in camps themselves if the Felon wins along with when so many other atrocities start up here on US soil. Good for you!
She’s now losing in Michigan. I’m not sure what evidence you need before the election. I’m not really enthusiastic about a candidate that needs to wait to see how supporting genocide affects her electability.
Don’t say we didn’t warn you.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/election-michigan-harris
And she’d drop 5 more points in Michigan if she started the “from river to the sea” shit from her base that she would lose, even with 100% of the state’s Muslims supporting her.
Why is the only other logical choice in your mind that Kamala must either support genocide or spread antisemtic statements? How in the world do you see that as the only two logical options?
I don’t. I want us to cease funding offensive weapons, while still helping to fund the Iron Dome and to defend Isreal if they are attacked. That’d lose her 20 points in the polls because being nuanced would just piss off both sides, especially moderates. She would need real political capital to do so, and I hope that’s her play once elected. It’s obvious she can’t show her cards on this till elected. Do I like the country’s political balls being held by AIPAC? No. But it’s the reality we live in.
A majority of Americans disapprove of Israeli action in Gaza:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
I’m not sure where this narrative is coming from that it is an unpopular opinion to stand up to Netanyahu.
If she loses she’ll just blame everyone but herself like Democrats always do. Obama is already trying to blame black men saying they are chauvinistic.
Isn’t revising your positions when you get more information or change your morals a good thing? I hate the villainization of changing your views. It’s such a childish understanding of the world where that’s a bad thing. It’s probably part of why our society is so divided now. We’ve used “flip-flopping” as an insult, so anyone who ever admits they did something wrong or changed their opinion must be a bad person. In reality the opposite is true. Admitting fault and growing as a person is a virtue that should be rewarded.
When the subject matter you’re flipping on is Medicare for all, fracking, And the death penalty. Um. Nah.
Both your posts just sound like someone whining because they can’t have it their way; in this case, apparently your complete inability to direct the conversation is the problem. Which would imply you’re whining at yourself…and you really are. It’s rather nauseating to be honest…
It’s always projection with these people. That and a willingness to sacrifice everything around them to fulfill their entitlement.
Because conspiratorial thinking has flourished, creating a whole set of fantasy worlds to believe in where anything can happen as long as it proves you were right all along when you were an asshole.
why has this sub become a dumping ground for liberal bullshit
trump sucks a lot but that doesn’t make her a good person
the lesser evil is still evil
Yeah where are Kamala’s emails??
What evil has she done?
I don’t agree with everything that she is doing and has done but I believe that there’s a certain amount of concessions that happen in politics.
She’s absolutely the obvious choice right now and I’ll reserve not liking what she does based on what decisions she makes as president.
supporting a genocide for example
She supports a ceasefire, Biden is the one sending 100 troops and a THAAD system, and billions of dollars in weapons and aid.
News Flash, there are other elections that happen in the US every year that are more influential and important for national issues than the presidency.
Maybe take your weird hatred of the failure-of-the-democratic-party-not-being-as-progressive-as-you-want energy and focus that on:
- getting local city councilors, mayors and county clerks etc. elected who represent your political ideology,
- getting state legislators and other officials elected who represent your political ideology,
- getting judges elected (where applicable) who understand the codified and written law and are willing to execute it as written,
- maybe even (SHOCK) getting congresspeople elected who match your political ideology.
I know this might be hard to understand, but there are a myriad of elected officials that comprise our federal system and focusing on THE PRESIDENCY alone will never make anything meaningfully change.
And for anyone who skews even the least bit toward NOT WANTING FACISM to take hold in this country of The United States of America, just fucking vote for Kamala Harris you stupid asshole.
Yes, but what about [single political issue here that Trump is as bad or worse on]?
Clearly this means we should vote for [candidate least likely to win but most likely to split the vote of the non-fascist party]!
“You see, if fascism wins, then socialism will magically win next. It’s a law of nature, like a pendulum. It Is Known.”
“As an upper-middle-class white male, I just don’t like politics, so I don’t vote.”
Fuck you, you selfish little pricks.
I vote now.
I don’t think I was selfish before … Just ignorant and/or sheltered.
I don’t think I disagree with your point, but the messaging is unlikely to convert many non voters.
tbf, if they’re on a politics com and bragging about not voting, chances are that they’re pretty far from where you were at if you were just ignorant and/or sheltered.
Well… You’re not wrong.
I’m just yelling at the choir on Lemmy, I believe. With my actual friends, especially married ones with daughters who say this stuff, I approach it differently. “You always tell me you disdain deadbeat dads, but not voting is another form of failing your daughter. You should be a champion for her rights man, not sitting on the sidelines trying to play nice with ‘both sides.’”
I can’t believe how apolitical I was before our daughter was born. I mean I’m not even in the US or a man but Jesus fucking Christ having kids makes you so invested into everything that you cannot not be political. It’s not even a real choice unless you are, as you phrase it, a deadbeat parent.
This is a real hard chart to follow… Are both sides the same??
0 felony convictions.
I’m pretty sure she was responsible for convicting felons.
Oh she made people felons alright
Mostly black people.
Not like there’s an unclear choice when you Americans vote soon, but pleas don’t forget that part. Most two party elections are choosing the lesser of two shit options.
Sometimes they get carried away and forget the Democrat party is still a right wing party. I’m not happy voting for Harris, but I’m happy voting against Trump (or even happy voting for Walz)
Incorrect.
She’s got a shitload of those.
She’s just on the delivering end, not the receiving.
That we know of (points to forehead)
Yea “yet”
0 apologies for convicting drug users into forced labour.
I’m sure the realistic alternative would be much better on this issue, especially considering what he did about the Central Park 5 as a private citizen
I first read this as a bulleted list and got confused.
yet
Another thing that gets no attention is that she is one of the few members of congress who didn’t invest in individual stocks but just does index funds to prevent conflicts of interest/insider trading. I really wish democrats would do a better job of contrasting Trump’s corruption with theirs but then again I guess they gotta pick something and run with it.
0 fucks given about Palestine
Brilliant. Don’t understand the haters, are they so fanatic of mama Kamala?
You mean you don’t understand the lovers, right? In the end it’s always a matter of “who’s the least worse”. Harris is, by far, but in the end certain things will never change. Will Harris be brave to turn her back on Israel? Never. A lot of empty words have been said on the matter but facts speak louder than words. US can’t afford to lose their proxy in the middle east. Israel will continue to be unpunished and funded for years to come. How much money did they send to Israel in the last year? Read about 18 billions, or something like that. But they built the pier in Gaza for humanitarian actions. LOL. It’s like throwing a dollar to a person you’re helping beating up.
No, I mean hater ppl who downvote undisputed ideas like that comment in order to ‘support’ the mama.
Oh, sorry. I don’t care about downvotes. I’m glad they read it but didn’t have anything to respond to it.
$100 billion in weapons for Israel to keep the genocide going
Gonna be honest here.
I do not give a shit. Not a single shit.
Wow. Almost a year of news about the ongoing genocide could make someone numb but your absolute lack of care really shows the kind of person you are.
Truly revolting
You don’t care what your taxes are spent on? Weird
That she has absolutely no control over. In case you’ve forgotten, she’s the VP, and has no fuctional control in the government besides casting the tiebreaking vote in the Senate.
But do go on shilling for Trump, I’m sure he’d be proud of your obvious disinterest in truth.
Trump wants to end the Palestine resistance the same way he wants to end the Ukrainian resistance.
Doesn’t change the truth that Kamala is in power right now and she is currently using that power to make sure a genocidal leader keeps getting everything he needs to continue committing genocide.
Stop pretending that the candidate you’re endorsing isn’t a monster
I think you need to read the Constitution. Especially the part about vice presidential powers.
She is Vice-President and does not make foreign policy at the moment and has been quite specific about protecting both Palestinian and Israeli lives as her position on the issue.
Her current role is advisory, the President decides actual policy and her’s as President would be exponentially better than Trump’s.
She has repeatedly said that she would not put conditions on arms to Israel and that her position is the exact same as Biden’s.
I don’t care that her position is merely advisory, she’s in a position of power and she’s using that position to run defense for a genocidal regime.
With power comes responsibility and I’m holding her responsible for what she does with her power
Stop pretending that the candidate you’re endorsing isn’t a monster
“But she’s the monster I prefer! How dare you?”
Humans are not so great, and I won’t miss them when they’re gone.
I understand that. It’s just that I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Can we please stop killing innocent people? Thank you.
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We did that, your fascists gave us a conservative healthcare plan and nothing else.
amen
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Sorry I was suckered by your rhetoric the last time you spouted it. Not anymore.
Just as soon as you stop trying to make it look like both sides are the same.
I want innocent people to not be killed. I am sorry that this offends you.
I am also sorry that you are offended that I won’t be voting in this election.
I am also sorry that you hate my ‘dumb fucking mouth’, which I will continue to use to state my moral expectation that innocent people are not killed, whether you like it or not.I suspect that, if you are to get the outcome you want, you will be perfectly fine with children dying in far off countries. “After all,” you will say, “I got what I wanted.” And you will continue to lecture people like me that we should “do your best to love the people around you,” even when you have shown you lack interest in people on a wider scale.
P.S. me saying “lesser of two evils” indicates that I think they’re not the same, but they’re not different enough to impress me. Learn to read.
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Where meme?
This just a political ad I see on CNNIt seems obvious, but half the country thinks Harris controls weather machines and hits Florida with hurricanes for some reason. They show up and vote, because they believe this nonsense deeply.
Please acknowledge the threat and act accordingly. If you are in a swing state, please vote for the rest of us. Your vote matters so very much.
there was an interview where a woman said something to the effect of “they’re controlling the weather and letting the hurricane hit red districts because they can’t rig the election otherwise”. like yeah hacking motherfucking weather is somehow easier than hacking ballots.
That was a Good Liars interview. They get spectacularly crazy quotes from people at Trump rallies, which I’m sure is not difficult.
That was also a member of the House of Representatives saying that, because we live in an insane world.
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Then there are tens of millions of people who cannot complain about what happens next. Death of democracy in the USA ? “Well I didn’t vote for them” Wife/mother/sister/cousin/friend died due to pregnancy related complications? “well I didn’t vote for them” Etc.etc.
There is never a party you 100% agree with. If there is then you are probably guilty of blindly following. Your job as a voter is to express your opinion whether by writing to your representative, protesting or simply voting. Then hold them to account when they don’t follow through or do something you don’t like.
Don’t let them tell you what you want. Tell them what you want.
It’s not half. It’s a minority in this country. It SEEMS like half cause the electoral college is a moronic system.
It’s actually pretty close to half. According to Pew polls of people in the US, (not just voters or likely voters), about 40% identify as right of center. About 35% identify as left of center. The other 25% identify as moderates or independents.
