Someone has to win the presidency in order to make changes.
As of right now, only one of two people has a chance of being president in January: Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.
That is true whether you vote against one or both of them. No one is going to say “hey, a some people are voting for various third party candidates this year” and make changes. Do you know how I know this? Because it has not happened in 100 years. Not even when a single third party candidate had nearly 20% of the vote.
It didn’t happen with Jill Stein last time or Gary Johnson or Ralph Nader or literally any other third party candidate you could name. Because they never change things beyond which of the main two parties gets to declare a winner.
That will certainly not change in a year when there is not a Ross Perot in the pack.
So, again, if that’s your way of achieving change, you will not achieve change and should get out of the way.
Edit: Come to think of it, Ross Perot did effect change- namely he effected change by getting the two major parties to pass laws in the legislatures they controlled making it harder for third parties to get on the ballot. I’m guessing that’s not what you want.
I’m reading that there are between 4 and 5 generations per century and there hasn’t been a significant third party presidential candidate that caused any effective changes in over a century.
How many generations is this going to take before there’s change since 4-5 have yet to achieve it? Because the Earth isn’t getting any cooler. I don’t think we have more than a couple left. And I don’t even know if those couple matter.
Except for immigrants, queer people, black people, Muslim people, and women. For those groups it is decidedly not the fucking same
But because the Democrats aren’t going to reverse capitalism and it doesn’t affect you personally, who gives a shit, right? Fuck everybody apart from you
God damn, you can’t even spell or use grammar properly and you get a vote. I’m not even American, and it still pisses me off that people as dumb as you exist. As much as I hate to admit it, murican elections have far reaching consequences, if trump gets in again, then that’s terrible for the world as a whole.
Harris is by far the lesser evil, and spare me the bullshit about both sides being the same. Both options suck yes, but one is clearly less shitty for not just America, but all of your allies. Even here in Canada where a third party is actually semi-viable, there’s still basically no chance for the NDP to win sadly, let alone some random 3rd party in murica. Vote against trump by voting for Harris or support him by voting for anyone else, like it not, those are your choices.
Well thats because you dont understand my thesis.
It aint about vote for a candidate, it is is about a vote against the current arrangement.
Arab Americans are facing similar misunderstandings but they came to this point from a different position.
American political discourse is apparently unable to understand this position, which is still telling about how the system works.
Someone has to win the presidency in order to make changes.
As of right now, only one of two people has a chance of being president in January: Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.
That is true whether you vote against one or both of them. No one is going to say “hey, a some people are voting for various third party candidates this year” and make changes. Do you know how I know this? Because it has not happened in 100 years. Not even when a single third party candidate had nearly 20% of the vote.
It didn’t happen with Jill Stein last time or Gary Johnson or Ralph Nader or literally any other third party candidate you could name. Because they never change things beyond which of the main two parties gets to declare a winner.
That will certainly not change in a year when there is not a Ross Perot in the pack.
So, again, if that’s your way of achieving change, you will not achieve change and should get out of the way.
Edit: Come to think of it, Ross Perot did effect change- namely he effected change by getting the two major parties to pass laws in the legislatures they controlled making it harder for third parties to get on the ballot. I’m guessing that’s not what you want.
It is a generational fight… It tooks generations after FDR to get us to this shiti conditions.
You are spreading FUD btw… Which is a bad faith tactic.
If trump gets elected, it will be about the same as ehat happened last time. Aka more enshitification. Thats just where we are going.
If kamala gets elected, believe or not, same thing lol
I’m reading that there are between 4 and 5 generations per century and there hasn’t been a significant third party presidential candidate that caused any effective changes in over a century.
How many generations is this going to take before there’s change since 4-5 have yet to achieve it? Because the Earth isn’t getting any cooler. I don’t think we have more than a couple left. And I don’t even know if those couple matter.
Except for immigrants, queer people, black people, Muslim people, and women. For those groups it is decidedly not the fucking same
But because the Democrats aren’t going to reverse capitalism and it doesn’t affect you personally, who gives a shit, right? Fuck everybody apart from you
God damn, you can’t even spell or use grammar properly and you get a vote. I’m not even American, and it still pisses me off that people as dumb as you exist. As much as I hate to admit it, murican elections have far reaching consequences, if trump gets in again, then that’s terrible for the world as a whole.
Harris is by far the lesser evil, and spare me the bullshit about both sides being the same. Both options suck yes, but one is clearly less shitty for not just America, but all of your allies. Even here in Canada where a third party is actually semi-viable, there’s still basically no chance for the NDP to win sadly, let alone some random 3rd party in murica. Vote against trump by voting for Harris or support him by voting for anyone else, like it not, those are your choices.