Back Again
It’s 80 degrees in November. America has reelected a climate change denier. SUV sales continue to rise.
If only Americans had voted for the party that was going to fix climate change…
Which one was that again?
You’re not going to like this, but it was the Green Party.
Oh I’m totally with you, it’s the rest of this instance that you have to contend with
The Green Party? Yeah, hopefully before we all burn up. Stein still got <5% this time.
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In that two party system?
“Go ahead, throw your vote away!” -Kodos
This is so disgraceful. Usa. Seriously… Wtf
Is this real? I might go out and buy a copy if so.
I have to remind myself that the only silver lining of being Californian and unable to really effect this outcome of this race is that we’re also least likely to pay any personal consequences. Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
I know already that my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back. Then again, might make little difference if he goes full fascist, but a silver lining is a silver lining none the less.
Over here in Florida where they’re banning books and censoring LGBT from schools. All my family (besides my parents and siblings) are Republicans and are actively voting to the person who is trying to legalize murdering me (trans, closeted) 🙃
My teacher is also an anti masker.
Send help pls.When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.
I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.
If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.
Hardly anyone can afford to live in the progressive parts unfortunately.
It’s true. Some places are affordable but won’t be terribly enjoyable unless a lot of progressives move there (like Bakersfield isn’t the worst place in the world).
Edit: on two separate occasions I saw cars wrapped in full anime weeb regalia parked in places in Bakersfield. It’s just mostly immigrant farm workers, though.
…my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back.
Can you expand on this, in eli5 fashion? Curious foreigner here.
Oh that part’s easy.
Money.
California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.
As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.
As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.
Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.
Yeah I feel the same with illinois.
Good luck gentlemen o7
If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights
Laws are only real if they’re enforced. What we know is is that Trump promised to send troops into “sanctuary cities” and this time around, his wranglers know better on how to use him. Go to a safe city or state, but be prepared to move country if you’re one of their undesirables.
Its more about how the state comports its own affairs so keeping up its public infrastructure and not allowing poisoning of natural spaces and such. I can’t say its worth the move as these things are really situational. Im just sorta glad I am at where I am at.
Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
Your state just voted to keep slavery btw.
I heard. We weren’t immune to the low turn out, and if anything we had a lot more protest votes since we’re a “safe blue” state. Actually I’m much more concerned about how it impacts some house races. We might be a bit screwed, and lazy Californians might be why.
Calxit?
Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!
CAWAORxit?
CAWAORNYIL… And New Englandxit.
I think that just describes a civil war at this point lol
yeah, thats all fair. it is ignoring how california will be uninhabitable in short order if we dont take immediate steps to curb climate change, and trump has vowed to undo the little progress the biden administration had accomplished, and to “drill, baby, drill”
Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.
There is a saying…
Make a mistake once and you can call it learning, make a mistake twice and you are eh… not so smart
Americans need education.
Didn’t dubya say it best?
Something, something won’t get fooled again?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
And you hit the nail on the head - Americans absolutely need better education. Unfortunately, it’s not a priority, nor is it funded adequately.
Metoo?
More like you, again.
Is it too early to start talking about the abysmal failure of the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” strategy?
It’s more like: wut! I gotta get off my couch and what in line. Fuck that. It can’t be that bad.
Oh it’s going to be bad now but don’t worry about voting again. He said so. You can stay on your couch and never vote again…even if you really want to.
He said so.
Do stop with the liberal hysterics. It hasn’t helped you much, has it?
Pretending to be democratic isn’t something the US is going to stop doing any time soon, so yes, you will be voting again.
Now I can watch terminally online lefties lose their shit and seethe while knowing it’s not going to be nearly as bad as everyone says. It’s going to be entertaining to watch everyone freak out over nothing.
Your myopia is untreatable.
Have you read Project 2025? Your country will literally have a government that can implement all of this without resistance. If a group of people had enough fervour to write such a document, do you honestly think that with all this power they wouldn’t implement anything from it?
On top of that, while the US pulls into itself and has a less global presence, it’s going to affect the global economy very negatively as the balance of power shifts. With DT at the helm, the balance of power will tip towards China being the next biggest economy.
Anyway, you may not notice a big change unless you’re wealthy. Under DT, the poor stay poor but the rich get richer.
None of that’s going to get implemented, and the big money’s still going to be in charge, just like it always was. Conspiracy theories on the left, and the right, lol.
Why not, though? What’s stopping anything from being implemented?
Trump already killed millions during COVID. Remember when a deadly disease broke out, killing millions, and the Republican stance was both “It doesn’t exist.” and “China did it.”?
Literally a global pandemic and these people can’t even focus on a solution.
It was 5 years ago.
1.2 million estimated in the US, especially if you track the “fell off a ladder, definitely Covid” stuff.
It killed hundreds of thousands, not millions, but your point still stands. If I were Harris, I would’ve made a bigger deal about Trump’s COVID response, because I’m pretty sure that’s why he lost last time. Perhaps she didn’t want to do that because Biden wasn’t much better.
I’d have used his garbage costume picture.
Time and time again I remember this meme
Basically democracy is government after the people, by the people, for the people . . . but people are retarded . . .
People need to stop blaming voters, we all need to start understand why this happen more and more in the world and not judge the voters for their decision. I have some theories but its not the time or place, but stop say “people are dumb” or “People need educations”… 100 million people cant be all dumb or uneducated, go deeper!
Im sorry, but if Gaza, egg prices, and Harris not havjng a Y chromosome is enough for a magat trifecta, the voters are the problem. Not just the ones who stay home or vote third party, all of them. Americans are whats wrong with America
Both can be true.
I also think part of the problem is that with the internet, we may just have a lot of data readily available, so much so people are overwhelmed they just tune it all out. We can spend a lot of time wondering why people vote the way they do but if the losing party doesn’t take the time to be retrospective and humble as to why they lost then I can’t blame people for that too much.
You’re telling me… There’s multiple issues and reasons in play… At the same time???
This is getting entirely too complicated for me.
It feels so fucking obvious to me and it has for the 20 years I’ve been voting, I fucking voted for dennis kucinich lol. There’s a reason Bernie was able to cut through the noise. He had a blunt and obvious, class based, economic ideology. That’s where he planted his flag.
The ‘third way’ Democrat machinery seems to plant it’s flag on reactionary culture war issues. Even if that’s only the perception, not reality, they always take the bait.
AND WHY THE FUCK DID IT TAKE SO GOD DAMNED LONG FOR TRUMP TO BE CHARGED FOR J6? If you want to call them Nazis you have to do Nuremberg when you have the fucking chance.
trump may be the iceberg that sinks the ship but people must not forget that it was obama that steered it so expertly there.
whatever he has done in his eight years to engender such deeply entrenched hatred within the populace – so much that even morons like mr. 47 can exploit it so readily – needs to be studied so that it can be avoided in the future.
Obama didn’t start Fox news bro. Obama didn’t defund education and get rid of civics classes. Obama didn’t cut taxes on the billionaire class and corporations. Obama didn’t sell those same billionaires and conglomerates the major news outlets. The voting population in America only know what they’re told because they’re never taught to think critically. Look at the rise of disinformation regardless of political ideology. Look at the rise in scams.
you’re mixing up trump’s eventual misdeeds with the fact that the usa has undergone a massive transformation towards the right under the eight years of obama.
i’m talking about the seeds which were sown, you’re talking about the harvest which followed. these are two separate things.
each of your assertions have flourished under the manure of the obama tenure – even if they didn’t happen during his presidency.
but, sure. live in denial and give him a pass. just don’t moan when history repeats itself. as a non-american, it’s no skin off my back.
So Reagan’s two terms and his VPs term had nothing to do with it? The creation of the CNN 24 hour news cycle and the need to fill it had nothing to do with it? Decades of attacking public school budgets had nothing to do with that? Why the focus on Obama? These problems started 30 years before he was elected.
They’ve been conditioned for 8 years that any negative thing they read or hear about their leader is “fake news”, and likely their own pride of not wanting to consider the possibility they could be mistaken has made them easy targets for the misinformation machine at Fox News to avoid telling them objective facts to instead pander to their emotions and tell them what opinion they should have. Mass manipulation by biased media.
Yes, yes they can.
Are there betting markets for when that turd drops dead?
He will live through his term. Watch.
Hopefully dems nominate someone who actually has soul instead of a walking checklist like Kamala. Oh, who am I kidding? They won’t learn anything from this either.
Was that really the issue? She felt pretty “souly” to me. I’m wondering if it’s more voter turnout and people not being ready to vote for a woman (for whatever reason).
I mean was Biden really above and beyond Harris? He beat Trump, and Trump arguably has even less going for him this election.
He beat Trump,
Yes, but after four years of being traumatized by Trump voters would have turned out for a blow-up doll. The same will probably happen in four years’ time, I reckon.
I’d say Harris actually had a lot more “Not Trump” energy than Biden could ever muster, but her inability to promise the voting anything other than just more of the same and the fact that Biden and the Dems have actually done zilch to stop the right-wing insanity in the past four years just demoralized the voting public.
It was Martin Prince vs Bart Simpson.
She ran a traditional campaign on issues, Trump got them chanting “More asbestos” difference is they voted.
The Dems need to realise that this is now a popularity contest and you have to fight a cult of personality with a cult of personality.
I, for one, hope that this is exactly what we needed. Shit has to get dark before the light can return.
