Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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    Why do people keep saying Democrats. These were not Democrats. They were political apathetics who were so dumb they didn’t see a difference between an existential threat to America, convicted felon, and pathological liar… And a woman with a clean record.

    No actual Democrat gave up voting for Harris because of the obvious reach to Republicans who saw that existential threat.

    They gave up because of disinformation silos and the economy, stupid

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        Voting Democrat temporarily does not make you a Democrat no differently than Liz Cheney voting for Harris or the first-time low-propensity voter who thinks “they’re all the same, but since covid impacted me I’m getting rid of the current guy.” People just voted against Trump more than they were voting for Biden or his policies. They just wanted him out and to try something different purely because of covid.

        This time around, those people just said, “Both Sides.” And sat out. Presumably because they drank the Russian Kool-Aid and live in media silos.

        That said, I misread the title and paragraph not referencing Democrat, but Democratic support, so my mistake.

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          Cool-aide, silos and two parties who both neglected the little guy given that their wealthy backers can’t stomach doing so. Yes the Democrats ignore them less (Joe Biden’s effort to forgive student loans) but it wasn’t enough, and Trump says what desperate people want to hear I guess.

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            Trump gives his little guys entertainment and the promise to hurt the types of people they don’t like. His little guys are well-accounted for, just not in a way that would ever make them not stuck at the bottom. Their propaganda has made them think the problems in their lives are trans minority immigrants rather than the boss that hasn’t given them a pay raise in three years because “times are tight”.

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          You had it right the first time, people voted for change in 2020, and they did it again this time. Same same.

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            It’s more accurate to say Trump’s base cult voted like a cult and will always vote for him no matter. This evidenced by the fact that Trump may or may not even break his 2020 numbers despite even population growth.

            It’s not just that these people voted for change as in all those millions who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump; they just didn’t vote for anything at all.

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              New voters voted for him too. All you saw was that they wouldnt choose kamala over trump, even if she tried to act like she would bring the old school republican party back.

              People are being taken advantage of worse than ever, and only one party would admit that and talk about fixing it. Thats the party that won.

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      a woman with a clean record

      People died in her prisons and she kept some after their term so she could use them as slave labor to put out wildfires

      and she supported genocide while promising it would continue under her, not for nothing

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        Lmfao.

        Talk about pure bullshit. People die in every prison everywhere. Maybe you should take a step back in time and look who drafted those laws in the first place.

        Well have fun with the 100% support of genocide with Trump, buddy. I’m sure they’ll treat your little protests with kid gloves lol. While she was seeking a permanent ceasefire, Trump was undermining it and telling Bibi to finish the job hahah.

        That’s not to mention what blood is on one’s hands for Ukraine, too.

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          Why are you speaking like you’re upset with the outcome of the election if you’re a republican?

          I’m sure they’ll treat your little protests with kid gloves lol.

          Another ‘liberal’ takes their mask off

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            lol nah man, I’m sure Palestinians will be much better off under Trump and far more amicable to protesters than Harris would’ve been… Totally ;)

            Pat yourself on the back for this MuH BoTh SiDeS narrative!

            See you in 4 years when you emptily vote for Jill Stein again.

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              No one looks as happy about the outcome of the election as you

              Glad you’re having fun scolding the people you told to shut the fuck up for the last 4 years for not doing as they’re told

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                Really. You think I’m happy about this? That the Both Sides crowd can’t understand basic mathematics and spoiler effect, or zero-sum logic?

                As far as I’m concerned I’m far more distraught and less willing to throw away civilian lives in Gaza and Ukraine than the likes of you. There’s a lot of naivety going around thinking that things can’t possibly get worse in both of these places for civilians.

                Let’s see how that logic plays out.

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                  That the Both Sides crowd can’t understand basic mathematics and spoiler effect, or zero-sum logic?

                  You are fundamentally failing to understand their position if you think these things are valid contradictions to them.

                  As far as I’m concerned I’m far more distraught and less willing to throw away civilian lives in Gaza and Ukraine than the likes of you.

                  These are two VERY different situations that can’t be lumped together like that. And honestly god damn you to hell for wrapping yourself in that cloak. Especially considering the situation in Ukraine that your side has deliberately turned into a ‘second Afghanistan’ with zero interest in the lives of the civilians who have to live in war. The cynicism is disgusting. That blood is on your hands. If Trump ends that war it’s objectively a good thing.

                  And holy shit I’m getting sick of telling you sociopathic lying fucking liberals off for pretending there’s any room to be worse when it comes to Gaza. There has been zero restraint put on the nazi regime there. Democrats have tripped over themselves to send aid package after aid package.

                  It is the most intellectually dishonest thing you could fucking say. Shame on you.

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                    This gaslighting denial, absent of any actual substantive logic truly is laughable.