Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutor’s kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Cheat codes
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: de himself regardless of law.
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
I am convinced that if Kamala won Trump would have started an armed insurgency. Well, this would definitely about do it.
If Kamala won, he’d at most get a nice private prison that’d basically a rich people’s fancy retirement home, with access to amenities like tweeting from his “truth” social so its basically not different than being not having a prison sentence at all. But most likely he’d not even get prison, but a house-arrest with very relaxed restriction, because the judicial system will make up some excuse saying its impractical to keep a former president in prison citing “safety concerns”.
The cope is strong here.
Its stronger on reddit. Front page is filled with “Biden should resign and make Kamala the first woman president to ‘break the glass barrier’” and “Biden should appoint Kamala Harris to the supreme court” and “Biden shoud make an official act to do X”.
I mean. Rationally speaking, shouldn’t Biden do something extreme at this moment?
This is one core problem Kamala had. Her message was “Donald Trump is a Nazi,” yet the entire Biden administration never treated him like some existential threat to Democracy.
You know all those hypotheticals about killing Adolf Hitler? Notice how no one ever discusses the legality of killing Hitler? It’s all discussions of temporal mechanics or the ethics of punishing someone for a crime before they commit it. No one ever says, “no, you obviously shouldn’t kill Hitler before he comes to power, as that would have been against German law.”
Realistically, if Kamala’s rhetoric is factual, Biden should have had Trump arrested on day one of his term, charged in a military tribunal for treason, and convicted and sentenced before the first 100 days were complete. The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty, not whether he had presidential immunity. And what about the Supreme Court? What ABOUT the Supreme Court? Did the Allies give much credence to whatever bullshit rulings the Nazi courts issued? Trump should have been pounded into the dirt, and any SCOTUS justices who dared to intervene should have been charged as accomplices. And anyone remotely involved in the plot should have been similarly purged from civil society. We should have seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of life sentences.
THAT is how you respond to a threat to democracy. You find absolutely everyone involved and throw the book at them. You move quickly and run roughshod over normal judicial procedure. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people for running pro-Confederate newspapers. That is what you have to do in times where democracy is truly threatened.
Does Biden actually believe Trump is literally another Adolf Hitler? Then logically, if that is literally true, then Biden should order the military to take him out. Hell, he should do whatever is necessary, upend the entirety of American democracy, become a full dictator if need be. Better a centrist dictator than a Fascist one. In other words, if Trump is literally Hitler, than Biden should be acting right now like our hypothetical time traveler.
Unfortunately Biden is a huge fucking pussy who brags about have cookouts with Nazi simps
The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty,
Bingo.
The problem, I believe, is that most Democrats are institutionalists who will defend the rule of law even when it means handing the reigns over to a group who have openly declared hostility towards it. They are also afraid that using any kind of force to stop Trump and his cronies will trigger violent rebellion and they know who owns most of the guns in this country. They’re playing a trolley problem game but because they don’t really have progressive values they aren’t putting, say, Ukraine, Palestine and the entire fucking climate on the “peaceful transfer of power” track.
We need a party with higher values than just “defending institutions.”
In response to a post highlighting examples of pointless, hyperbolic copium, this guy walks in and says, “hold my beer” and then advocates for Biden to (“logically”) launch a cruise missile at Mar-a-Lago. OMG I’m dying 🤣
“Logically” in the sense that this is the actual logical response, if you take the Biden/Harris rhetoric at face value.
I mean, maybe if you yourself are a Nazi, then you see nothing wrong with letting Nazis in power. But for sane people, if you actually believe someone to be Hitler, then you should do whatever is necessary, damn the law and Constitution, to keep them out of power.
The point is not that this is objectively what Biden should do now. The point is that it is IF you assume Harris’s rhetoric is correct, then flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done. However, realistically, Trump is someone more like Orban or Putin. He does seek to degrade democracy, deport a lot of people, and purposefully immiserate targeted minority groups, but he’s not likely to get the Zyklon B off the shelf any time soon. He’s a monster, but realistically probably not quite at the level of someone like Hitler.
And this is the problem Harris had in the campaign. If you run on a campaign of “my opponent is Hitler,” the voters will rightfully ask, “well, why hasn’t your administration already turned him into a fine mist?” You don’t put Hitler on trial. You kill Hitler. Running on “my opponent is Hitler,” when you haven’t treated him like you logically should treat Hitler, shows you really don’t believe your own rhetoric.
You’re doing a bit of a strawman.
“My opponent is a fascist” =/= “My opponent is Hitler”
Did Harris talk about Trump being a literal copy of Hitler who will genocide millions of people in death camps, or did she assert he’s a fascist and a very real threat to democracy?
Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though.
flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done
So break democracy to save democracy? Ends justify the means? Hindsight is 2020, so if someone tossed you in a timemachine and you found yourself in the 1920’s, you could have the confidence to actually kill Hitler without any qualms, because you’d know what would happen. But no-one has that. We can confidently say Trump is a demented child-rapist who will fuck shit up and make things worse for everyone except his oligarch friends (which very much includes Putin.) We don’t know how bad it’s gonna get, but it’s clearly a downhill the world is facing with a US president like that.
Yes actually. The ends do justify the meansz and democracy should.be suspended for its own protection if necessary; which clearly it is. I’d go further, the whole republican party shouldve been purged. Paradox of tolerance and all that
Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though
Lets see here… he’s constantly saying to mass deport all “illegal immigrants” and constantly demonizing them. Made statements about arresting all his poltical opponents, with miltary force if nessecary…
I dont know, i dont think the hitler guy every did any of those things…
Of course he did those things. He also breathed, shat and ate. Is everyone who breathes, shits and eats a Hitler?
I can name dozens of non-Hitlers who’ve done all the things you’ve said.
Did Harris run with “Trump is an actual Hitler” or “Trump is a dangerous fascist”?
Because if it’s the former, then rationally your argument is a strawman and needs to be amended before more rational conversation can take place.
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I mean, the resigning one is way more possible/probable and less disruptive. It’d more be funny than anything, especially if his fans bought lots if “47th” merch, as they’d be supporting Harris
Imagine him resigning the day before Trump is sworn in so they’re totally not ready for it. Just to be extra dickish.
My lizard brain is all for the resigning thing. With the message being something about making a statement in the history books about the decision the public made in 2024. Mostly predicting the inevitable disaster of Trumps second term, just like his first term.
Higher brain thinks that’s just poking a bear though. Ugh. We’re fucked.
Yeah he’s not going to jail. The bastard is just going to keep laughing at us every day. But he’s only got maybe 20 years to go. I would be surprised if 10. He’s basically 20% rotten McDonald’s M double cheeseburger. We might have to deal with princes Vans instead of Maybe one of the other trump princesses. Who knows.
All we should do is wait and feed him Peanuts or pretzels. He’s bound to choke in one of those things. Either that or the sodium.
Beautiful article. I’m feeling better already about everything really.
Wow, we didn’t know what to expect in 2013.
still 20 years! Average USA lifespan for man is 75 year. He should already be dead by now.
Yes money help with living longer, but with his bad health hygiene it should cancel out.
Average mean means middle…half the population is still alive at average age unfortunately. But fortunately the whole age range is non-linear because nobody gets to be 150 years old. More like 1 person in the world might get to be 125 years old if they never smoked, never had even looked at a MacDonalds burger on TV etc.
Jean Clemente (the oldest human ever) smoked cigarettes (she didn’t inhale) and ate pounds of chocolate at a time. The oldest Canadian woman ever smoked until she was in her 90s (she lived to be 116), and plenty of other people who lived to be 100 also had ridiculously unhealthy lifestyles but still lived long.
For Trump, his father lived to be in his 90s. His grandfather died younger because he was a victim of the Spanish Flu in 1918. We don’t know how long he will live, sadly. But I hope he will die of natural causes soon.
Life expectancy depends on wealth. What’s the average for rich people?
Same as some peasant in any civilized country with universal healthcare. Something like 83 or so.
Nope. In countries with universal healthcare life expectancy sadly is still dependent on wealth. Better food, better doctors, lower chance of having a hazardous job, better ability to rest instead of rushing back to work etc etc.
(i.e. Germany: About 5 years on average between poorest and richest.) Inequality is bad for us, everywhere.
He’s 78. There’s zero chance he makes 98.
I doubt he’ll make it to the end of his term. He’s not a fit man.
20? Isn’t the orange turd 80 or somewhere close? Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if he died of a natural death soonish
The expected lifespan for someone his age is about another 9 years per the SS actuarial data.
He’s 78. So in two years he’ll be 80 and in Just a teenager he’ll be 100. Jimmy Carter is 100. 0.03% of the population in the US make it to 100. The population was recently ~346,098,610. So he could be 1 of 10 million people who becomes 100.
According to stupid Google only 60 people get to be 110. Thus Trump’s maximum life is around 20, but that’s being generous. 10 is more probable. But hopefully any time now. Like a really bad sneeze while he’s having his Coca-Cola in the morning ☺️🌄.
Evil has a way of hanging on, so let’s hope that doesn’t happen here. Strom Thurmond hung in there until 100, and was in office at that age.
Given how badly his mental state is doing right now, I wonder if he will even survive his term in office.
Same. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was 25th’d a couple years into his presidency due to his declining mental state. But then we get Vance in charge. Which might be worse.
20 years is way too generous. I put my money on 5 - 7 years left.
I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.
People in the Netherlands once ate the prime minster (basically president). Just saying, there are options.
That’s how you get brain worms.
Shortly after they were attacked by 10,000 French troops on skates?! How is this not a Broadway musical?
Battle of the billionaires, make no mistake the way i see it, the world is being fought over by conflicting groups of billionaires. There’s the current winner group the christo-fascist sect. The competing Tech-bro billionaires who want us all to live like foxxcon slaves and unfortunate dead last is the humanist billionaires who actually wanted to do some good while stealing us blind.
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
supreme court will toss all these out. Though it would be funny.
They literally couldn’t. But he isn’t getting that sentence anyways.
They will say that executive authority is impeded by any sentence and defer it at minimum
NY was already probably going to give him a suspended sentence.
So build him a special jail so he isn’t impeded. Not that logic ever really mattered on planet earth.
SCONY or SCOTUS? Unless SCOTUS rules the laws unconstitutional (which I doubt even they’d do), it’s not their place.
Don’t put anything past them.
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This is state level, supreme court can’t do a thing. Then again, his Jesus cult could nuke New York or something, nothing would surprise me at this point.
It is not actually legal to do this. A state can’t interfere with the functioning of the federal executive branch. Most constitutional scholars would say the sentence just gets suspended until the end of his term.
Doesn’t it say they found a loophole? I figured that what they meant.
It wouldn’t effect the functioning of the federal system. You seem to forget he spent the majority of his time in his idiotic faux gold penthouse or at Mar a lago.
Dumping him into white collar prison wouldn’t change any of that and fed prisoners can still get temporary hardship/work release anyway.
What if he needs to make an international trip?
Flight risk. They can come here and work through normal visitation hours.
His parole officer would have to allow it. 😆
(Not going to happen, but it would be SO funny if it did.)
It doesn’t matter. None of this matters.
Nobody is going to put an elected present in jail. It’s game over.
Legal eagle on YouTube and nebula has a recent video on this very subject. Short form? It’s over.
You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.
If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump’s legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.
Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.
If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.
If he’s not convicted of anything he can’t pardon himself. Is there a statute of limitations on inciting an insurrection, or whatever ge was going to be charged with? Just pick up the case again in Jan 2025.
He won’t have to. He’ll just have his own DOJ appointee dismiss the federal cases against him. This will 100% happen on day one of his presidency. I have no doubt in my mind that he already has a person in mind for it and they will be his first appointment after his swearing in.
For the state cases, he doesn’t need to do anything, they won’t result in a sentencing verdict that can’t be appealed before he takes office, and the state courts cannot prosecute a sitting president.
The best case scenario is that the state cases that he can neither dismiss nor pardon himself for will resumed at the end of his term in January 2029. That’s a long fucking time to wait for justice, and even then, we won’t know if he will even serve time for it. The presiding judges could die or retire and sympathetic judges could be appointed in the meantime. The states could flip to be controlled by MAGA AGs and decide to drop the cases even while they are paused.
The likelihood of this guy seeing the inside of a jail cell before he dies is almost 0%.
Oh yeah, I meant 2029 instead of 2025. I know it’s a long time but I was hoping that without an actual verdict the case could be brought up again when (if) the criminals no longer run the justice system. I know some cases are dismissed with and without prejudice, so if there’s any way they can officially be legally/permanently dispensed with I know he’ll do it.
I guess the best we can hope for is for him to just die soon. Just keep on eating those hamberders
You can’t really prosecute a dictator for crimes when they control all of the branches of government.
so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term
In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.
Then we’d have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole
Trump wouldn’t be delivering p25. He’s always been a puppet.
crimes against the
American peoplepeople of New York.FTFY
Don’t know if you’ve ever been to NY, but they literally hate anyone that isn’t from NY. They used to LOVE Trump and his business practices. Call them shady if you want, but that used to bring in money for NY. Then he started making money in Florida and ran as a Republican. That pissed them off but good!
They aren’t doing this for the American people. They are doing this for themselves.
Trump is and has always been a criminal. New York (my home state) just has the balls to actually bring him to court even if he slimes his way out of any real consequence. And believe it or not we dont hate outsiders. Just shady businessmen and people who dont pay their bills.
The hush money payments are not the only things he was being prosecuted for. Jan 6th, the Georgia RICO case, the classified documents case, etc. New York is not the only state that deserves justice.
