Closer to the EoL time, someone is going to release a version of Linux that is basically windows, with a super locked down interface etc to make it so newbies can install and use with zero CLI or setup.
Or at least some serious consumer-grade onboarding.
Presumably it will have reduced functionality to make it as stable as humanly possible too.
And they’ll probably become one of the larger distributions until people get the confidence to “upgrade” to a more complex one.
is this not what the steam deck os will eventually offer? cause I can see myself using that on my desktop eventually
Didn’t know that was a thing outside of steam deck.
But yeah I’m waiting until the last moment because it’s likely that’s when the best contender will appear.
I think they’re working on it, I could have sworn they said they were but a quick Google search shows nothing for me…
I saw someone posted bazzite as an alternative to steam os, but I’d just rather wait for whatever valve puts out at this point. I trust them to make it happen a little bit too much lol
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eh, im lazy. true that there is nothing special about steam os, but I like the Linux experience they released, so I don’t mind waiting
If they can get a version that just runs all Windows programs (not just games) out of the box without user modification then great. I’d consider that to be an actual Windows replacement.
If all you’re running is a browser and some light office suite use then great, Linux can do that now. Otherwise what people saying “just switch to Linux” are really saying is “stop using your PC”.
I’m experimenting with Pop!_OS on my aging laptop running it on a USB drive. Was happy to see it supports 2-in-1 functionality.
I love everything about Pop!_OS. Except the name, that I cannot stand.
It’s a silly name for sure.
I have literally talked to one person at work, that he might want to try out Linux Mint in VM. Dude have never used Linux, but seems to be skilled enough to install it on his own.
Weird everyone suggests Mint, when it’s way less user friendly then KDE Fedora. I mean, I guess on old hardware Mint is good, but anything newer (like the last 4-5 years) Fedora is pretty much set and forget.
Same with gaming, Bazzite is a WHOLE lot better than Mint.
I’m on Mint 22 with current laptop hardware (Intel/Nvidia) and it’s been completely plug and play, even for gaming.
I absolutely love Mint.
Desktop has both Mint and Bazzite. I use both daily.
Mint can’t natively control my display or sound, and it has had issues with internet and the Nvidia graphics card before.
Bazzite can natively control display and sound, and I haven’t had to use the CLI even once.
New Lenovo Laptop I tried both too. The mousepad and fn shortcuts for brightness and sound didn’t work on Mint. Fedora mousepad works perfectly and fn shortcuts work
Old 8 year HP 4gb ddr4 laptop neither worked well, so went with a lightweight distro that was debian based.
Old 12 year HP 16gb ddr3 laptop; mint gave internet LAN issues and DVD drive issues, keyboard shortcut for brightness issues. Fedora XFCE no issues.
Friend’s 4 year old Asus laptop; Mint gave issues with WiFi, Nvidia graphics card, and controlling screen brightness. Fedora no issues.
Another friend had similar issues with their laptop on Mint but said no issues on Zorin btw, and Zorin also worked better on their mom’s old desktop. Both are debian based interestingly enough, but Zorin is sort of paid so makes some sense I guess?..
This is all anecdotal of course, but at least based on what I’ve seen, Mint has never been as beginner friendly as it seems compared to Fedora in that it usually requires more tinkering. You even see that here with the pro mint comments suggesting some use of a CLI.
Mint is on kernel 6.8 what are you talking about(Alteast mainline Mint not LMDE)
Linux Mint is easy af, that or Ubuntu
Potato potato
Ahh I do love that classic Harley sound…
The average user cares less about their OS being EoL, than that they have to learn a whole new OS that works “completely” different to what they are used to.
This just objectively isn’t true. The XP EOL date actually forced users hands. There WAS refresh cycle in 2014, the only reason it didn’t turn in to the uprising it is seemingly turned into, is because Microsoft kinda got lucky, and this refresh cycle purged Pentim 4-s and Celeron M-s and Pentium D-s, and old Athlons, all of which were ewaste from new.
Jut put my Mother on mint. Her windows 10 pc is reaching EOS, and I finally convinced her that having to buy a new computer every several years is unacceptable.
Weird to use a game that decided to drop its official Linux support for this meme
Not only that but they also detect VMs so if you want to play it you have to dual boot
Lutris is a thing
They disabled the use of Proton/Wine.
I don’t think that there’s ever been an “official” client for Roblox?
Unless Linux hits 2-digit market share and iPad kids start to use Linux
Official Linux support is silly honestly. It will always be janky.
Windows just works with wine and proton most of the time.
What?
By “ending official Linux support” they meant that they disabled the use of Roblox through Proton/Wine.
At least Sober’s working.
what are the opinions on Bazzite, Garuda, Trisquel? are these ideal for those coming from windows?
the first two can be, but i don’t recommend trisquel to those coming from windows
is it hard? or why?
it’s not hard, but it only specifically consists of free software. that can be confusing and some hardware won’t work
some hardware
You mean nvidia stuff or could be others? there are open-source alternatives for everything that can be considered general use
including, but not limited to nvidia. network cards might be another issue. yes i know that there are open source alternatives and i most definitely choose foss where i can but people that just came from windows aren’t likely to care.
i saw on a hardware website that only a select few of devices run well with these distros. What about Peppermint? i heard that is relatively privacy-oriented but doesn’t extend this philosophy on drivers, and instead tries to provide a lightweight, bloat-free webapp-based system. How good is it?
peppermint is fine, you can use it
Bazzite is probably fine
They’re certainly somewhat more exotic choices.
Bazzite is currently seeing a hype wave, because it’s strongly inspired by what the Steam Deck does. But that also means, it’s somewhat built like an OS for a console (or in fact like Android), in that it’s a transactional/atomic distribution.
This means, you can’t easily make changes to the OS itself, only to the applications you install and of course your personal files.
It certainly makes it more difficult to break, but it’s still a relatively new thing in the Linux world and particularly you might still run into some limitations when trying to use it as a full-fledged desktop (depending on what you’re looking to do with your PC).Garuda Linux is based on Arch Linux, which is what we refer to as “bleeding edge” (as opposed to “cutting edge”), because you get the newest version of all the software on your PC just a few days after it got released by the respective developers. Sometimes, those newest versions will have bugs.
You’ll find folks who’ll tell you they’ve been running Arch since they were two years old and never had a problem, but ultimately, why risk it?And yeah, Trisquel is also getting basically a hard no from me. It’s a distribution for purists. For people who want nothing to do with the corporate world, who’d rather not be able to do something than rely on proprietary software.
If you’re coming from Windows, the chances of you even really knowing what that means are basically non-existent, so I doubt it’s what you want…on desktop, i’m coming with windows, but i do have good relations with the linux kernel, as i am an android custom rom user for 2 years now, i’ve been on PerryRice kernel, now on Helios. And there are 114 user apps on my phone, and 32 are closed source, so that means 72% of my android is open-source. And my phone is also rooted and has a custom recovery installed. I use my phone for everything, Windows only for gaming and homework. I already daily-driven Tumbleweed in Virtualbox for a little bit more than one week and it was pretty good, i could handle it mostly, despite many people saying it is hard to use for a beginner. But i’m still very new to linux and if something seriously breaks, i doubt i could fix it by myself, so it would be good if the desktop enviroment didn’t delete itself, the boot won’t corrupt, and no update would brick my system (ik how to solve bricking on android, but desktop is an another story). So out of Bazzite and Garuda, which is more suitable for me?
Oof, so I came to Linux also with a history of Android Custom ROMs. And well, I had quite a bit of frustration, because my phone was so much more capable and customizable than my (Windows) desktop.
In that regard, Linux has been an absolute fucking delight. And it kind of took Android’s place, in that I now prefer tinkering with my desktop and am frustrated with how incapable Android is.If that sounds like something you’d be interested in, I have one recommendation to make:
You want something with KDE Plasma as the desktop environment. It’s extremely customizable, extremely feature-rich. Other desktops, as well as more minimal GUIs (“window managers”), can be fun, too, but for starting out, I would recommend KDE.If your Tumbleweed looked like this, that was KDE:
Well, kind of the default for both Bazzite and Garuda is KDE, so this doesn’t tell you terribly much. 😅
But I’m coming at it in this roundabout way to tell you that I’m on Tumbleweed and well, therefore I’m probably biased, but I don’t really see why you’re looking for something else, if you liked Tumbleweed.openSUSE has the best implementation of KDE (by some fine details, but still). It’s got a really nice snapshotting system (btrfs for the filesystem + Snapper).
Garuda seems to have adopted that from openSUSE, although I don’t know, if it’s quite as fully integrated in Garuda.Those snapshots will save you, if your system should ever break.
Basically, if your filesystem and bootloader are still intact, there’s a pretty easy way to rollback: https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book-reference/cha-snapper.html#sec-snapper-snapshot-boot (should work the same on Garuda)But yeah, I would kind of recommend against Bazzite due to it being a relatively new concept (with the caveat that I haven’t dabbled around with it yet; I simply wouldn’t know, if it’s actually already very mature).
I should also say that I actually lied, I’m not on Tumbleweed, but rather Slowroll, which is a semi-official flavor of openSUSE. It’s essentially Tumbleweed, but you get one big upgrade once per month and only security updates in between. While the snapshots can easily rollback the breakages, eventually I got mildly annoyed at having to do so once or twice per year on Tumbleweed, when a bad update made it through, so I’m trying out Slowroll. Might be an option for you, too.
And finally, if you feel like I’m coddling you a lot less in this comment than in the last: Yep.
Since you’re dicking around with Android Custom ROMs, you’ll be fine, no matter what you choose. I mean, Linux will still be a humbling experience, because it has no qualms showing you how much you don’t yet know about computers, but it also loves to teach you. The most important ‘skill’ is having fun when tinkering with technology, which you’ve got.A lot of the newbie recommendations, and that people tell you Tumbleweed is hard to use, are like that, because we just don’t know who’s asking these questions. Some people want to get away from Windows, but have no interest in learning. And then, yeah, I’ll also sometimes recommend Linux Mint, because its keyboard shortcuts are exactly like Windows, even though it actively got in the way of my desire to tinker, when I initially switched to it…
yes, i had the same desktop, just different stock background. My only problem with kde is that even at 1920x1080 buttons are irrealistically small. And i plan to use a linux distro on 2k display, maybe even 4k. Propably there is a way to make them bigger but idk. And i’m considering Garuda, or maybe Bazzite as a secondary option, because these are preconfigured for gaming out of the box and i really don’t know what to tweak on a vanilla distro to make it game-ready. And Garuda is also very loud about their btrfs implementation with zstd backups (ik a lot about compression algorythms, can even use some of them on paper to manually compress data like a lunatic, and zstd is a very decent algorythm, especially if we measure compression/time ratio). Slowroll actually sounds good because my custom rom is set to major releases every second week (maintainer is Tejas Singh, you propably heard about him, he is a prominent figure in the custom rom genre). And on linux, i should be able to edit custom shortcuts, macros and stuff, right? Also, i tried Tumbleweed in vm for a week and it had a little learning curve but i took it very well, only had one issue when i couldn’t install anything because the same package conflicted with an another from a different repo and stuff, but a simple reboot solved it.
There’s a slider to apply a global scale multiplier in the System Settings under “Display & Monitor”. So, if you set it to 200%, everything will be twice as big.
As for making a distro gaming-ready, honestly I think that’s a bit overpronounced on the webpages of Bazzite and Garuda. It’s one of their distinguishing features, so that’s what they’ll talk about, but I’d be surprised if we’re talking 5 FPS more compared to a general purpose distro.
They generally use the same software and both of them are tuned for performance, with only a slightly different focus when they’ll perform the most optimal.Yeah, I don’t know what concrete difference zstd makes. The Arch Wiki (great resource, generally applicable independent of distro) tells me that compression may speed up some workloads while slowing down others: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs#Compression
Maybe Garuda found out that it mostly helps with gaming when openSUSE decided to not make use of it, because openSUSE is more general-purpose.But yeah, I don’t know, if you’re feeling Garuda, then go for it. At this point, you could tell me that you merely like the theme of Garuda better and I’d support that decision, because what I’ve read about it does sound reasonable, and it sounds like you’ll be fine either way.
And on linux, i should be able to edit custom shortcuts, macros and stuff, right?
Not entirely sure what you mean by macros, but: Yes.
The whole OS is built from the ground up to be scriptable and configurable. It’s very likely better than you can imagine.
I tried mint for a little bit but ended up using Kubuntu.
If you like Kubuntu because of apt and KDE, don’t be afraid of going Debian with KDE next time.
I love this absolute fantasy Linux folk have come up with
I do some e-wasting for a number of big companies and have piles of old laptops. I’ve taken to giving the laptops to people that need computers and the ones with Linux don’t taken. I literally can’t give away Linux computers. They can buy their own windows licenses.
Yep, people are so stubborn they would rather risk their entire online presence than learn that penguin hacker thingy with the white text. Also the Water is wet
Ow I can upgrade, I just blocked TPM motherboard side to stop windows from doing it.
But in the end I really would like to give Linux a shot, these days I basically only play steam game or watch a movie, most of it should be easy enough nowadays in linux
This is the first time I’ve seen a Roblox meme template 💀💀
The future is now old man!
I’m in my early 20s 💀
Sheesh gramps get with the times
TwT
What’s wrong with it?
nothing in particular, I was just taken by surprise that a Roblox meme was in my feed lol
Trying to get Roblox running inside of mint is a pita
Linux doesn’t run what I need, getting some form of LTSC is my only option.
You can get the LTSC ISOs directly from Microsoft, and activate with https://massgrave.dev/
Thanks for the link, that is where I will be going to do just that.
I would use Linux if I could but sadly I can’t.
Reminder for Windows 10 users who can’t upgrade to Windows 11
/s/can’t/won’t
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