• Pandantic [they/them]@midwest.social
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    People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguished cries in the night of millions of Americans.

    Based.

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    The simplest answer is he was pissed at UHC for denying medical claims for him or the ones he loved, and the CEO had dialed up the denials so an obvious target.

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      iirc on one of his social medias the banner was a back X-ray with medical nails or screws in it. I assume he (or someone he knows) was having back issues and got denied.

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        His former college roommate said he always struggled with back problems which is one reason he tried to work out so much

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      Base on what I’ve read about this kid: I probably wouldn’t like him as a person. I probably wouldn’t agree with a lot of the things he believes, and I’d probably vehemently oppose a lot of it. I don’t think he’s a genius – in fact I think he’s probably a similar to the edgy, dumb kid I was at that age.

      Sometimes “good” people do bad things, and sometimes “bad” people do good things: real people aren’t one dimensional caricatures.

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    they need the killer to not get away with it, so they created a scapegoat. they picked an affluent white guy because the system is more lenient on them. they approach him, offer him and his family money, tell him he’ll have to spend a few years in jail, take the fall for the murder, and promise that he’ll be out soon, private cell, lenient judge, all that. that way the public thinks that it’s not possible to get away with revolt.

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      I seen so many of these and I really don’t understand. Like if there is a secret cabal powerful enough to organize this and keep this a secret. The resources to find this random dude, approach him and make these offers and STILL have no one speak out about it. Couldn’t they just find the guy? Like are they really so desperate to attempt this after not finding him for 3 days? Also if they are scared this is going to happen again because copycats are they really powerful enough to organize these cover ups? Feels like Schrodinger’s oligarchy cabal, powerful enough to frame and cover anything up but not powerful enough to keep themselves from getting shot in the street.

      I am not on CEO side, I am shedding no tears but the whole scapegoat thing is just delusional.

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        The catholic church covers up and shields priests who are guilty of sex crimes against children.

        The CIA abducted and tortured US citizens in MKUltra.

        There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

        Just because you’re too stupid to imagine it doesn’t mean it’s not real. Have a day.

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          Just feels like this slips into QAnon territory where people convinced the democrats were abusing kids in a pizzeria basement. People laugh about that being so unbelievable and baseless, but now that it happens to a psudo folk hero everyone is like “the facts are right there in front of you”.

          The goverment does plenty of shady shit, but you are talking like a John Wick esk “The Contental” or “The High Table” kinda thing. Is it really so hard to believe that guy did it and got caught?

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            People laugh about that being so unbelievable and baseless

            FWIW I’m sure there’s a bunch of Republicans fucking kids in a Pasta House basement somewhere.

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          People knew about the Roman Catholic Church stuff long before the stories actually came out. In Northern Ireland it was a common thing that people talked about in Protestant families about what the Papists were up to, and they ended up being correct.

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            No, the measurable, repeatable and well-documented facts make it true. See my comment above for a place to start your research; I’d recommend reputable online sources.

            My point is that just because it sounds like a conspiracy doesn’t mean it’s “just delusional”.

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              No one is saying that. Obviously there are conspiracies. But that doesn’t give anyone the right to make one up out of no where and then expect people to believe it without any proof.

              If you have evidence people will listen.

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                You don’t think anyone has the right to suggest a plausible but unproven theory? You’d be a terrible scientist. I’m glad I don’t work with you. Have a day. 🫱

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        are you incapable of imagining a rich family that can’t be bribed, blackmailed, threatened or coerced? please call your educational facility and request a refund, assuming you paid any money for your education. 👋

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            trolling is a deliberate attempt to make someone angry by “trolling” for their response.

            a) I’m sorry you got angry. Maybe talk to a professional about it? b) I’m not looking for responses. you came to me, remember? c) If everything that upsets you is “trolling” then you’re fragile and self-centered. Honey it’s not always about you. We’re not looking for your responses, we’re looking for you to be quiet and listen.

            Have a day.

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        Why are you angry about the suggestion? Let’s get to the bottom of this. Tell me why you’re personally invested in the idea that a family could be bribed into putting one of their kids in prison.

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          I’m not angry, I’m just not sure why you’d entertain such a thought. He comes from a wealthy family; the theory kinda dies there.

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                Trolling suggests that I wanted you to respond. I don’t. If you suspect you’re being trolled, you should move on, no one is forcing you to participate in the discussion. Go be angry somewhere else.

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                  Then I’m not really sure what you meant by your previous response? In what way did I say I had been trolled? Why do you keep calling me angry? Because I said “fucking” once? I’ve literally just been trying to have a conversation with you, but was certainly thrown off by your previous response.

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          Not OP, but probably just tired of hearing the “what if” scenarios without proof. Just the idea you think the government can be such a well oiled machine that they found a fall guy and a family to go along with this within a week is funny. We don’t function that well. That’s why we have people shooting health insurance CEOs in the street.

          All the what if’s remind me of gish gallop, so I don’t like that part too. That just might be me though.

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    Is chilling how thenwhole internet is fed up a story of a man before his sentence. If this guy is innocent his whole life is already exposed forever just for memes and a penny. We are the big brother and we suck.

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      The “we did it reddit!” phrase comes from redditors trying to track down suspects of the boston bombing. Redditors found a guy they strongly suspected, then found personal info on them and began harrassing him and family, including death threats.

      It was the wrong person.

      Imagine being that person accused! One day just living life, the next experiencing a horrible bombing, the next being tracked down by a misguided internet randos on a manhunt.

      This is why having some basic privacy is important before you need it

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        it wasnt the internet that exposed him to the media, it was the police and feds who sold him out to the media. There is no “we did it” here. “They” did it.

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        I’m sorry, but just one detail from what I’m seeing on the linked article - “that person” committed suicide a month before any of that went down. I don’t think it invalidates the point, even though being alive and present to be interrogated might’ve changed things, but it comes off comical when talking about how horrible the experience must’ve been.

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      im big skeptical of the photos and videos they’ve been circulating. everything about this investigation is sus.

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      I do think it’s really him, if you look at a photo of Luigi taken from above, the resemblance is undeniable to the surveillance camera photo.

      There’s a lot of cope in this thread.

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      Press seem sure of themselves.

      I think this guy worked with the real killer. Luigi would get caught, these idiots stops looking, killer gets away.

      Why wear the same thing and carry all the crap that can get you caught?

      Why are the bags and jackets different from the surveillance photos?

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        Yeah, why travel to Pennsylvania with a letter admitting guilt and all the 3D printed stuff with you? This guy got private education and never watched a crime series? Never learned to dump his gear or destroy the evidence? Kinda weird.

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          It’s very easy to say what people did wrong and what you would do better sitting behind your keyboard having never been in that situation.

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            Come on man. This was so well planned and “ditching the evidence” wasn’t in the plan? You seriously believe that?

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        So it makes more sense to you that someone who didn’t pull the trigger just up and agreed to be the fall guy?

        I’m not buying that.

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          Yes it makes sense. Look at all the support the shooter is getting. Look at how many people say they would even help him.

          If they can prove that they were somewhere else at the time, then it doesn’t matter. They both walk.

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    Someone said he was in a surfing accident and needed pins/plates put in his back. His profile (https://i.imgur.com/2g1ZGBa.png) shows an X-ray of a back that’s had surgery done on it.

    He’s 26 and just come off his parents’ healthcare. [Except his family is wealthy, so I’m not sure if this one is relevant or not.]

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        This, also, just because he may have had good coverage to do the surgery, stuff like that can have lifelong consequences that can need routine, expensive, medical care, for years, if not the rest of your life. Even if they are getting care, their insurance, even “good” insurance, could have denied much better therapy, for the cheaper route, which will have a major negative impact.

        It is too early to be making up our minds about this arrest, this guy, etc. However, just because your parents have money, doesn’t mean you can escape the evils of the private healthcare system.

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        Doesn’t his family own nursing homes and other businesses? Shouldn’t that be wealthy enough for healthcare? You would think there are some connections to the medical sector there as well.

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          Nursing homes are typically run poorly because they’re in a position that has a hard max on profit. Medicare pays what it pays and that is all. Unlike a hospital which can just make things up and charge whatever, alongside pricy elective surgeries, nursing homes have settled into their x Medicare $$ for each patient.

          So while there is profit it won’t be anywhere near the profit of a hospital.

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            Couldn’t a private nursing home charge whatever they want for room fees, recreation fees, meal fees etc? There are some very shitty nursing homes and some very fancy ones out there, and id bet the profit margins on the fancy ones are much higher.

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              A long term care bed at a nursing home costs anywhere between $5500 to $20000 monthly. There are many rich, retired people who would have their finances depleted in a few years with a cost that high.

              The average middle class individual would never be able to afford that so the fall back is usually medicaid.

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              There are private pay. And there are Medicare pay. Depends. Any will charge for anything: private room, tv, etc. Meals are mandated by regulation.

              So yes, if they own private pay they could be wealthy. Which shows how shitty health insurance has become, if they can afford Luigi’s posh schooling and not afford their healthcare.

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      Apparently his mother was also being screwed around by UHC.