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    Not to play devil’s advocate (which is what people say beforr they play devil’s advocate) is this clickbait or is there substance to the article. Bastard and innumerable others like him deserve to be punished, but I’m interested in the takr

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      Pro-war on all the wrong sides (Germany in WWII, US in Iraq, Israel at any time), Jewish owned but somehow simultaneously against Jews, especially if poor and foreign.

      Their Berlin correspondent wrote about how Hitler was no danger to German Jewry while it was already well documented how terrible they were being treated in 1939.

      Absolutely fucking monstrous rag.

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      Ironically, the GOP has bought it now that they coronated Trump?

      It’s a bit amusing that all the white and not so white lies are now actual belief amongst the leadership. Maybe they’ll end up deconstructing them…

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      Noam Chomsky talked about how self-serving it is to the powerful to portray the mainstream media as left-leaning. If people think that the NYT is pushing left, then anything further left of that is seen as being so far off that it must be uttered by loony radicals who spend 17 hrs a day buried in leftist theory.

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    His crime is one of the reasons we find him attractive. It’s not being overshadowed it’s being celebrated.

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    Why wouldn’t they be? The glamorizing of murderers, rapists, and other criminals in biopic miniseries seems to be a growing point of discussion over the past year or so.

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    Tens of millions of lives ruined by “just good business” is the headline.

    Stop worshipping profit or everything will get worse, even if there are no violent responses.

    Everybody talking about anything else in this case is lying by omission.

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      Law/justice is also dead, especially as folks stop believing in any piece of state evidence.

      Two seconds later it could be you or me who are picked up and demonized for random stuff.

      Truthfully this is my image state power. They make shiat up 100% of the time. So it’s not a question of is it true or not. It’s a question of how they are lying. Like a puzzle to be solved or exposed for the entertainment, but even that eventually grows old. Oh a cop MSM or a politician corpo said it … pfft!

      Citizens don’t believe anything out of the State or Media. Obviously not a healthy situation when everyone is considered an actor.

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        Truthfully this is my image state power. They make shiat up 100% of the time.

        Citizens don’t believe anything out of the State or Media.

        This is not how most people view information from the state or media. There’s a much higher degree of skepticism than in the past, sure, but most people aren’t going to simply believe every cop (or especially every journalist) is lying 100% of the time.

        I don’t think it does the left any favors to take this stance, either. It makes us look contrarian (because it is contrarian) rather than grounded in reality.

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          At this point, why care about reality? Just conjure an illusion for a few days. Rinse wash and repeat. The same goes for witnesses and evidence presented by the state in court.

          Completely unbelievable.

          Was there any accomplished FOSS dev present? No? Well no one of credibility to be a witness or present evidence. Everyone possibly there are the equivalent of children.

          I believe exactly what i wrote.

          The above is my mind virus gift to world+dog

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      Wtf. Journalism is definitely not dead. We just need to stop linking to corporate news outlets.

      Zateo, democracy now, the intercept, truth out, common dreams, etc. There’s loads of great media outlets out there…

      Maybe we should just ban the corporate ones from this community? Or create a new community that only allows links to nonprofit news outlets?

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        Yeah. When people complain that the media is dead or that the narrative is controlled regardless of sources, they usually talk about the mainstream/corporate media. They don’t go their way to find alternative or “underground” sources shall we say.

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          Yeah I wouldn’t call any of these sites underground. If we dont know about them, blame Lemmy users and mods.

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            I mean, if you ask most people, they wouldn’t know what Democracy Now or Pro Public are unlike MSNBC, CNN or New York Times. These news outlets rarely get more coverage or mentions because it is by intention.

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              Again, if that’s the case then we have nobody to blame but ourselves. We’re on a link sharing site ffs. We post the links and we make the rules for which sites are allowed.

              I do my part to report people who just post screenshots of articles and downvoting links to corporate news sites with pro-corporate narratives, but we all must do our part. And the mods need to do their job too.

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                I’m talking about in general. Doesn’t matter if it’s on Lemmy or Reddit, people don’t know about the news outlets you and I mentioned.

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    Corporate media is going to protect their advertisers by shotgunning bullshit articles trying to change the narrative

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    It couldn’t be because we’ve been starved of seeing anything resembling actual justice could it?

    Horrible people do horrible things and have been getting away with it since before I was born. No wonder people are reacting the way they are.

    Being handsome doesn’t hurt, but people like him for what he did. He could be a hunchback and there’d be supportive quasimodo memes I’m sure.

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    I mean this is nothing new. Pretty white women have been treated favourably in court and by the public forever. There is a somewhat popular twitter account all about hot criminals. It’s a thing and it always has been.

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    They’re trying every angle they can think of to avoid admitting that people didn’t react negatively to this because literally everyone in the country has been negatively affected by people like that CEO.

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      If I believed in a deep state (which I categorically do not) NYT would be part of it.

      I do, however, believe in giant media companies funded by the 1%, who have just lost one of their own to one of the plebs, staffed by management who will steer things in the needed direction. Any doubt I had of that has been destroyed by their coverage of Gaza.

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          That’s what the NYT and others are afraid of. Copycats making this a trend and then the whole situation spiraling into French Revolutiom 2.0, or heavens forbid, October Revolution 2.0

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        They won’t, they’ll tighten their security. Anyone who goes against the shareholders will be removed and replaced by somebody who will maximize profits at all costs.

        Doesn’t mean there won’t be copycats who are successful. A whole lot of people have been wronged and the justice system doesn’t work.

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        In another sense: these CEOs are the people responsible for infiltrating other countries with the shitty US model of healthcare.

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        It won’t happen, best we can hope for is that it tempers the greed for a bit.

        It would need to happen a few (dozen) more times to effect real change.

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        changing and ditching their greed

        No they won’t because while they of course are greedy, it’s not really greed which is fueling that on the systemic level, but the inherent capitalism mechanism to concentrate capital. Companies compete and that competition ultimately leads to either monopoly or formation of cartel, the ones with more profits are the winners and the losers get eliminated from the market.

        What they will do, is to hire more bodyguards, isolate themselves from society even more and fund more propaganda like the article in topic.

        The only thing that can change things, as proven historically, is not adventurism (however cool is to dish at least minuscule part of overdue justice) nor the spontaneous outrage, but the organized workers power threatening the capitalist class and their government servants.