I’d sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.
Also, we’re still wondering if the McSnitch is getting their reward money. The last I heard they were thinking about withholding it.
And that would be such a great propaganda point to show that US law enforcement doesn’t regard the rest of us as full persons / citizens and will cheat us out of our due even when we cooperate. So yeah, no-one sees nothing. Ever. You’re a collaborator if you do.
Zero Witnesses.
He’ll get a jersey from the local police department.
I think the local department promised $10K and FBI promised $25K. Even if I don’t like Judas very much, the pharisees not giving him his silver shows the institution was not honorable and deserves what they feared the Christians might do.
That got ecclesiastic.
somehow the cops just know from grainy 140p footage
was miraculously not shattered into pieces, which happens to all other 3d printed guns.
the very well-built gun has a particular reload quirk that was seen in the surveillance footage
the doubt about not disposing the gun is a fair point. i suppose he either wanted to seed doubt to the prosecution (as someone else claimed below), or just forgot to plan this part
would naturally spend a long period of time sitting in a public place
fair point, but i think he simply settled into routine. this is corroborated by him being “visibly shaken” and not−well-prepared to someone asking him about the murder
including the additional time it would take for the cops to respond and then arrive
he obviously did not know someone tipped him off
a random McDonald s worker
slight correction: a fellow customer told the worker. if the concern here is that he would hide his face to the worker, well he may have dropped his guard after going back to his seat
I was suspicious at first too, but now as weird as the whole scenario looks my skepticism has weakened (e.g. people say he’s been missing from work during the shooting, the unibrow may have been simply visually deformed by the shitty camera, etc.).
But you know what, I think it’s better to stop trying to be smarter than what is reasonably possible, and at the very least wait and see what he and his lawyer will have to say in the court. E.g. if the evidence was fabricated, they will certainly try to argue that. Not everything about the story will clear up, but some things can, and I say it’s better to wait it out with a bit of patience.
Besides, what if it really wasn’t Luigi and we’ve all been duped? How will the fanboys and fangirls lusting after him feel? What will the smart businessmen do with their leftover Saint Luigi candles?
A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts
I think it was also clarified that the gun was a Glock with 3d printed lower, which is basically a normal Glock with different plastic.
sauce? i’m seeing that he just got a purely-
ghost(edit: homemade) gunThe lower / reciever / frame is the part of a semi auto handgun that has the serial number, as this is the part that is legally considered ‘the firearm’.
If you 3d print the lower, you can just buy every other part, often without a background check, in many instances without any ID at all, and assemble the gun around your 3d printed lower.
What makes something a ghost gun is that it does not have a serial number that can be tied back to a purchaser, who would have had to be ID’d / NICS checked or w/e.
What makes it a ghost gun is not that it is entirely made of plastic that wouldn’t show up on a xray or something, its that it is untraceable to a point of origin if you have the gun and nothing else to go on.
The other way people do this is by destroying the etched in serial number.
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I haven’t actually heard it confirmed that Luigi only had 3d printed the lower, though for a normal person, that would probably be the easiest way to assemble a ghost gun.
But, he’s an engineering graduate.
Its possible he did ‘3d print’ many other components by using metal machining tools.
as i’ve said elsewhere, i meant purely homemade, not ghost.
and you don’t even need to be an engineering graduate to homemake the metal parts of a gun
Well, you said ghost gun.
A homemade gun can be, but is not necessarily a ghost gun.
You can purchase a serial stamped, legal, traceable lower reciever/frame, and then purchase all the rest of the components of a gun, and assemble the whole gun yourself.
This is fairly common amongst experienced gun enthusiasts who prefer specific brands or designs for various parts, and like to do their own custom builds.
The result is a totally legal, non ghost, homemade gun.
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Long Explanation of all the metal FGC9 parts an average person cannot make at home, period, or metal parts you can make at home but would need to have a CNC machine and significant machine shop experience.
The FGC 9 that you linked an article about… yes, it does feature more 3d printed parts which are typically made of metal… but it still requires you to buy many various metal parts.
https://www.hickoryhillarms.com/post/building-the-fgc-9
So even with this thing, here’s all the parts that are not 3d printed plastic, that you would be very difficult even for an engineering graduate to create on their own unless they had access to their own industial machining tool manufactory:
Fire Control / Trigger Mechanism; Springs Disconnector Pin
Hammer Hammer Spring
Grip Screw Grip Screw Lock Washer
Feed Ramp Screw
Mag Catch Spring
Primary Buffer Spring Secondary Buffer Spring
Brace Screw
Ejector Screw
Alan Key / Wrench
Firing Pin Retaining Screw Firing Pin Retaining Screw Nut
Reciever Screw
Firing Pin Firing Pin Screw
… Phew. Ok, so, sure these parts are not that difficult to purchase, why bother listing them all?
Because you said you don’t need to be an engineering graduate to make the metal parts of a gun.
That’s not true for all the above parts.
You’d need to have an entire manufactory to make these things out of the material required, at the quality required.
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The following parts actually could be CNC’d by someone with moderate experience with a CNC machine, and a CNC machine at home, but they’re not made of 3d printed plastic:
Bolt
Barrel (Non Threaded, thus significantly innacurate at range)
Now, if you are even more experienced with machining, you may be able to produce a threaded barrel…
… But at that point we are talking about an experienced machinist with pretty uncommon equipment, which itself can be traced.
Either way, you can’t make the bolt or barrel out of plastic for the FGC 9, and while yes, a novice machinist could learn how to machine one at home, the vast majority of people who build FGC 9s purchase the bolt and barrel from someone who runs a small, often psuedo legal business of making them.
That functionally is a ghost gun in the US because only the lower is registered. Everything else is off the shelf, theoretically untraceable bits.
yes, and i’m saying that all the sources I see say it was completely homemade
Oh, rog! I misread that. I’ve seen a bunch of mixed BS, so hard to say.
Yeah was gonna comment this. There are totally functional 9mm machine pistols with everything made from printed and standard hardware store parts.
some rifles too, saw a YouTube video of one and it was pretty cool.
Yeah chiming in here to agree, 3D printed guns are now nearly identical in performance to other polymer based guns (like Glocks for instance).
they don’t degrade after being fired?
Not if they’re made correctly, with good materials like nylon-cf, correct print settings, and good post processing. It’s a process that takes a day or two and requires a small amount knowledge and skill.
A handgun made like that will function for thousands of rounds.
thanks, I had no idea.
All guns degrade after being fired, but modern production firearms are just plastic wrapped around metal tubes. 3D printed guns have always worked on the same principle but it takes time to develop them to the same safety standards.
You just 3d print the lower reciever, most modern handguns use injection molded plastic for this part, and a good 3d printer (and operator) can get a pretty decent result.
But its not just the ‘pressure bearing’ parts that cannot easily be 3d printed.
Almost everything else still has to be either purchased or very, very carefully assembled by hand with skill and machining tools.
Here’s a Glock 40:
Its basically a pretty bad idea (impossible with springs) to try to replace any of the metal parts with 3d printed plastic, many more parts than the barrel and slide are made of metal, and many of those parts could easily fail, even after mag worth of ammo or less, and completely brick the weapon.
People who make or sell 3d printed weapons still have to include a parts kit (or shopping list) with the stuff you can’t 3d print… with the exception of weapons that fire basically .22 or smaller cartidges, and those ones that actually are all 3d printed plastic are not going to survive very many shots.
Here’s what I might do if I couldn’t catch a murderer but wanted to make an example anyway, and I had access to AI art that was very good at getting approximately accurate images of people…
to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.
It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.
But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.
So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.
The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.
Are we fucking with sofas again?
This is one of my dystopian thriller elements: If the police can’t find the culprit of a high-profile crime, then they find someone, plant an orgy of evidence and railroad him into capital punishment or life in a supermax. Just to show that the long arm of the law always wins.
Doing a for-real investigation and just disappearing / killing off any likely suspects is optional, depending on how vengeful the elites feel about it.
It’s sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn’t a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.
I think that for someone who had the determination to:
- Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
- Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
- Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
- Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
- Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
- Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
Because real life isn’t a episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
Yes, board:investor meetings are publicly advertised. There’s headshots on LinkedIn. But that’s just it - the shooter pre planned to get at the one person, not storming an insurance office and “demanding to see the boss” or ambushing the CEO in his driveway.
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
Suppressors are long and heavy, even commercial ones that are well designed. Sneaking that big tube on the bus, subway, on the e-bike, and then just waking around displayed an desire to escape either via an understanding of the NYC shotspotter system or wanting less obvious gunshots. The 3D print speaks to a desire to get away with it forever - otherwise why not just buy a real gun (and the required 4473 background check) that is guaranteed to work?
Because real life isn’t an episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
Except that does happen. Most criminals are pretty dumb, and make obvious mistakes that lead to capture via normal methods. But forensics exist to aid investigations that hit dead ends, or to narrow the search pool of suspects. A fingerprint at the scene would not make an arrest in a PA McDonalds. But a Terry patdown that ‘discovers’ a gun and suppressor, leads to an arrest, leads to thorough personal search, leads to booking, then forensic analysis. Finding the gear on him was instrumental in that McDonalds encounter going from “this guy sus with fake ID?” to “he’s the CEO killer”. Presenting fake ID is a 3rd degree misdemeanor question mark for a beat cop that leads to more scrutiny, not “that’s the killer, look he even has the murder weapon”.
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
He displayed determination to get away, and planned accordingly. Didn’t stand there and magdump into the body, didn’t walk around NYC that morning wearing his face openly, didn’t use real ID, didn’t drive a car anywhere near the city, changed clothing after the murder, went out of his way to use an inferior firearm because it can’t be definitively linked via records, built and hefted a DIY suppressor around NYC public transit, used an RF blocking phone pouch/left his phone behind…
To then be caught days later with everything on him, and a semi-confession note? He couldn’t have found a body of water or hole in the ground to dump anything into? Ditching the backpack in Central Park was odd but burning it that morning was gonna draw attention, as was keeping on his back all day as he left the city. The police shut the bridges, sent out drones, dogs, etc and the shooter got away - dumb fluke? Or pre planned route that avoided known choke points and let him slip away?
You might want to read up the assassination of Franz Ferdinand (the person not the band in case you’re confused) assassinations are rarely fool proof plans
What’s sad is seeing people accept the police’s story at face value. You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to not be caught with everything needed to hand the case to the prosecution on a gold platter a week after you committed a crime in another state. This is either a set up, or Luigi intended to be caught.
or an oversight
I have the same issue with the idea that this is a setup as I do with a lot of other popular conspiracy theories, I just don’t see any possible motive that makes sense. This entire situation has been a total PR nightmare for everyone who could possibly have been involved in the alleged conspiracy. That Luigi intended/expected to be caught seems to me the simplest and most likely explanation for the set of facts we have available. If I were to speculate further, I’d guess Luigi didn’t expect to get as far as he did and was weighing his options while on the run, and basically just decided to turn himself in and chose a public place for his own safety.
Luigi makes zero sense as a patsy. He has privilege, charisma, and intelligence. You don’t setup an ivy league educated cousin of a state house representative with money for good legal representation. Not even porky is that stupid (I hope).
Really? You really don’t see a motive to make a swift arrest of the man who just fired the shot that might set off the class war? After we just watched every billionaire sweat for the first time in their entire lives?
NCPD/FBI is being pressured extremely heavily to produce results, and the people doing the pressuring aren’t likely to care if the results are correct just as long as the results are visible - not to mention which, the agencies involved are kind of known for doing stuff like this before. The poors must be reminded that they will be swiftly hunted down and imprisoned or executed if they attempt to follow in the perpetrator’s footsteps. This message must be presented quickly and made visible to every citizen, make a big show of it so everyone knows what happens when you mess with them. (Like a 40-strong perp walk and accusations of terrorism in addition to murder, for instance. Hmm.)
Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy, continual pressure for results is going to become pressure to arrest a patsy instead so we can start the show already. The show must go on. And starting the show requires the star character.
I have no proof of any of this and it could reasonably be called a conspiracy theory, I guess. I expect no one will ever see anything approaching proof of this, for the usual reasons and methods that police misconduct is covered up with. But my common sense tells me that every detail of the arrest report practically screams “obvious plant” all over it, and the motive to do so is quite clear.
To me, the details of the arrest report scream parallel construction. A full setup and Luigi being a patsy suggests that every detail was chosen by whoever perpetrated the conspiracy, and there are a lot of details that strike me as very bizarre choices for them to make. I find it difficult to believe that the NYPD are simultaneously competent enough to find a believable patsy and execute an elaborate setup within a few days, but incompetent enough to accidentally turn the patsy into a relatable folk hero.
He was a young adult having a mental breakdown. He clearly wasn’t thinking straight.
You have no idea if he was having a mental breakdown or if he was thinking straight. You only know what other people told you was happening, which may or may not be true, because they aren’t testifying under oath and you haven’t seen the evidence.
Jesus Christ dude. Pull your head out of your ass. You’re not Winston Smith.
If you think about that Boston murder trial, or the YSL trial, you’ll remember how often the pigs lie. They love to lie. They lie under oath in court, and fabricate evidence, and they love to lie in press releases even more, because press releases can’t count as perjury.
Never take the cops at their word. Always examine the physical evidence. And this actually surprisingly not obvious, but don’t take the cops at their word for what the physical evidence is. The evidence itself is what you need to see, not someone’s account of said evidence.
Are the pigs lying here? I have some reasons to assume they are, other reasons to assume they’re not, and I’m going to watch the trial to see what’s real and what’s bullshit.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory to question the official narrative. Because you know, people never lie, especially not police. /s
Yeah it’s soooo sad that people don’t just believe everything the police tell them. It must be so hard for you, being so much more intelligent than everyone else. You must feel so much sorrow for all of us idiots who just can’t comprehend the universe as you do.
Nice to see someone else gets it.
It seems like he wanted to get caught. Am I missing something?
4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.
Don’t forget his confession said how much he respects the feds and the hard work they do
“I love the taste of glowie boot and will fellate some leather to completion when you come knocking, but first, crimes”
glowie
I sure didn’t expect to see schizophrenic racist lingo on 196…
Racist?
Check the link in my comment. Or see the video that’s the source of the term - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbG6u86t4bA
Glow in the dark, Glowie, Glows, Glowfag, Glownigger:
The term was coined by Terry A. Davis, a computer programmer diagnosed with schizophrenia, who allegedly believed that the CIA was stalking and harassing him. “Glowie” is often used in online forums to refer to government agents, especially undercover operatives who infiltrate online extremist spaces.
“Glow in the dark” and its derivative terms have been used to refer to various groups: newcomers that do not fit in with the culture of certain forums and are thus suspected to have bad intentions, journalists who report on extremist groups, tech companies that collect users’ personal data, and others.[1][5][6][7]
I looked at the explanation there, which mentions shizophrenia and IT origins.
I see now that the list of words contains racist etc. variations, which I’m guessing is what you are referring to?Personally I have seen glowie used in “shizophrenic” places worrying about privacy and government surveillance and the likes, but I have never seen the questionable variations nor seen any racist people or content in combination with “glowie”.
Is this a guilt by association thing? Where the inventor of the word was racist and used it in racist variations so the base word itself is taboo somehow?
It’s safe to say that the vast majority of people using the term know about its origin, and it’s not mere association, but literal origin (see the video above), and also the original form “glownigger” is still widely used (it’s bizarre that it’s on the end of the list on Wikipedia, in fact, after some forms that are probably barely used). Otherwise “glowie” doesn’t make much sense at all, doesn’t it? It’s a softened version pto avoid the overt racism, but it still gives a wink to it.
safe to say
That’s why I’m asking, I have not seen that usage, and prior to this I was not aware of any problems with the term.
literal origin
I don’t really care how a word was created, I care how it is used and percieved. Words can fall into and out of bad association, and massive raging assholes can coin words without problematic meaning.
Otherwise “glowie” doesn’t make much sense at all, doesn’t it?
I don’t see a problem with it, I thought it was a great short word to describe a specific problem (surveillance) with a specific vibe (shizophrenia).
There are plenty of words of similar shape, like buddy or goalie, sometimes abbreviations sometimes created like that. Never felt glowie was missing anything, if you asked me to come up with a term for “someone who glows in the dark” I may have arrived at the same word.the original form “glownigger” is still widely used (it’s bizarre that it’s on the end of the list on Wikipedia, in fact, after some forms that are probably barely used).
This is probably what it comes down to. Clearly we must frequent different places, so where did you see that and what makes you think this association extends into the wider world?
And then also how is it bridged to glowie? I have seen the old r/waterniggers and that hasn’t affected the words hydrohomie, water, and water utility worker to my knowledge.
Which was 3 pages long and 2 paragraphs…
what else are you gonna scrawl hastily? luigi was just a regular upperclassman but with actual gall. opportunity doesn’t wait for you to compose a manifesto
my man Luigi’s taking the fall for the real hero, is there nothing this handsome , suffering soul won’t do for good?
Peg me 😭
You would think the police would pick someone who wasn’t so photogenic.
I still don’t think he’s the same guy who shot the CEO, it’s clearly for me a different person in the photos…
However, at this point this changes nothing of what’s going to happen, anyone caught for this would be facing the same charges. Let’s hope the jury feels as we all do and lets him walk
Nothing ever happens and everything is a conspiracy
Well, everybody does stupid things, and he may have wanted to get caught…
But the entire story is incredibly weird. It looks like those official explanations that say “well, he shot himself on the head and 20 minutes later shot his wife; that’s absolutely the case!”
I think it’s much more likely that he either wanted to be caught, or it could just be that the guy that did something ill advised (killing someone in public while making very little effort to hide his face besides a cloth mask that he pulled down on several occasions) didn’t really have much in the way of a contingency plan.
The state would never ever lie to you and cops can always be trusted.
One possibility is that Luigi is just a vaguely similar looking guy who happened to be in the area at the time of the shooting. They found some DNA from a coffee cup or similar that he dumped in a trash can near the scene. So they actually do have real DNA evidence of him being in the proximity. Once they were confident they had air-tight proof that he was in the viscinity, the cops just went ahead and manufactured the rest of the evidence. So Luigi really was by chance near the scene of the crime, but it’s Manhattan, plenty of people were near the scene of the crime.
And there are tons of people who look like The Adjuster, because it’s not a very unique look.
I mean they’re taking a few liberties there to.my.knowledge but thats close to the official story and it is contusionesque. Unless Luigi wanted to get caught after letting all CEOs cook for a few days.
Which I think would make sense if he wanted to send a message. For example: he lays low and check press coverage to see if they report on it the way he wants. If he doesn’t get the reaction he’s looking for then he can turn himself in and get another chance to speak to the public more directly.
I can see some logic to it.
His goal wasn’t to get away with murder, his goal was to highlight the system in a way that couldn’t be ignored.
Like self-immolation, but burn the person who’s actually responsible for the problem.
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But why would him be getting caught be necessary here? The motive was pretty obvious simply due to his role as CEO, and the shell casings removed any doubt. It’s not like his “manifesto” revealed much about his motives that wasn’t obvious from the bullet casings. In terms of sending his message, what did he getting caught actually accomplish?
Everything the authorities say is true and there is no possibility of collusion behind closed doors.
